Another bike that intrigues me as a tourer but I'm aware of the cheap components. Any of you Ninjites ride one of the new ones???
Anyone ride the new Bandit 1250s?
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Merry X-mas for yourself then. Congrats on your new rides. I hope they work out for you as planned. I liked the Sprint GT a lot when it came out. My main gripes were not much pull down low (nice midrange though) and I thought the motor would be smoother. Brakes didn't have a ton of feel either but the rest of the bike was quite nice. Like the Ninja it too could be put on a diet. 
The S3 will be a lot of fun as well. Since it is already modded not much to do other than ride. Hopefully you won't have snow and ice yet and can go out an play a bit.
The S3 will be a lot of fun as well. Since it is already modded not much to do other than ride. Hopefully you won't have snow and ice yet and can go out an play a bit.
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The dec/jan issue of Cycle World has Dale Walkers personal Bandit featured in an article. Man, if suzuki built THAT bike...
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HBK, wait until you see the article. If the link you posted is stage 1, he's at about stage 72 in the article. I dont think he will be selling the Cycle World bike.
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Holy crap! Why wasn't this for sale a mount ago? I would have bought this over my N1K in a heartbeat. My last Bandit 1250 with his parts was one of the bikes I regret selling the most. This one would be even better than it was.
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Sorry buddy...I posted it the minute I saw it!
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It would definitely be a well sorted bike. My experience with Dale's stuff is he pays attention to the details.
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Day, thats how it works. Any purchase over 1500.00 dollars starts a chain of events in motion. If its a tv, its going to go on sale, or come with added features you really want.
If its a car, the color you wanted will suddenly be available. Heres a photo of his cycle world bike. The article says 40 hp over stock, 52 lbs lighter.
If its a car, the color you wanted will suddenly be available. Heres a photo of his cycle world bike. The article says 40 hp over stock, 52 lbs lighter.
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Yes, life is like that. Sort of like some girl you wanted to date but she is in a relationship but you think she might be the one. As soon as you give up on her and find someone else then she breaks up with her boyfriend and is as free as a bird. So do you dump your current girl and take a risk on being the "rebound guy" or not?
If I didn't think it would definitely cause a divorce at this point, I'd buy the bike. My wife is very tolerant about my bike habits so I don't want to ruin a good thing. Literally nor more room left in the garage so unless I could dump something immediately it would never fly. Having just bought the N1K very little tolerance there as it is for anything new in the stable...
If I didn't think it would definitely cause a divorce at this point, I'd buy the bike. My wife is very tolerant about my bike habits so I don't want to ruin a good thing. Literally nor more room left in the garage so unless I could dump something immediately it would never fly. Having just bought the N1K very little tolerance there as it is for anything new in the stable...
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If I had a wife I'd divorce her for that bike
I would have flow down, bought it, and rode back up. timing is everything. I'm happy with the two Trumps though. Both together are significantly cheaper to insure the Ninja by itself. The 2011 Bandit would have been pretty cheap too.
I have a feeling the two trumps will get traded in for it someday, when I can find a dealer who can work with me and provide some of the mods, or at least parts, for the excess value of the trade. The idiots I was dealing with though I'd give them a bike worth 14.5-15k in trade value for a leftover N1K one to one. Doucheholes. All I was asking for was the suspension bits and the pegs.
I would have flow down, bought it, and rode back up. timing is everything. I'm happy with the two Trumps though. Both together are significantly cheaper to insure the Ninja by itself. The 2011 Bandit would have been pretty cheap too.
I have a feeling the two trumps will get traded in for it someday, when I can find a dealer who can work with me and provide some of the mods, or at least parts, for the excess value of the trade. The idiots I was dealing with though I'd give them a bike worth 14.5-15k in trade value for a leftover N1K one to one. Doucheholes. All I was asking for was the suspension bits and the pegs.
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The Bandito was super cheap to insure for me. I think it was like $200/year and the N1K is over twice that.
Shame about the dealer not be willing to be flexible. I just took my long commute on my N1K and put about 1600 miles this long weekend. The seat is working out pretty much as i expected. Along with the new pegs I can easily go pretty much all day long with just stops for gas to stretch my legs (not even getting off the bike). I had the most miserable commute traffic-wise I've ever had. Basically a parking lot for about 150 mile of my commute. No joke, one standstill was 62 miles long. It took me 2 hours to get through it even with lane-splitting. I counted 11 accidents in a 250 mile stretch of highway. My 10 hour commute turned into 16 hours! That included some very high speeds thrown in to make up for time lost in traffic.
What is amazing is there is now a lot more "tour" in the sport touring aspect of the N1K without sacrificing anything on the sporting side of the equation. With the 16T and Ivan's tune it still hauls @$$, roll-on 2nd gear wheelies and much better in the miserable traffic. Not much left to dial-in. Maybe go with Traxxion for the rear shock and do something with the forks.
Shame about the dealer not be willing to be flexible. I just took my long commute on my N1K and put about 1600 miles this long weekend. The seat is working out pretty much as i expected. Along with the new pegs I can easily go pretty much all day long with just stops for gas to stretch my legs (not even getting off the bike). I had the most miserable commute traffic-wise I've ever had. Basically a parking lot for about 150 mile of my commute. No joke, one standstill was 62 miles long. It took me 2 hours to get through it even with lane-splitting. I counted 11 accidents in a 250 mile stretch of highway. My 10 hour commute turned into 16 hours! That included some very high speeds thrown in to make up for time lost in traffic.
What is amazing is there is now a lot more "tour" in the sport touring aspect of the N1K without sacrificing anything on the sporting side of the equation. With the 16T and Ivan's tune it still hauls @$$, roll-on 2nd gear wheelies and much better in the miserable traffic. Not much left to dial-in. Maybe go with Traxxion for the rear shock and do something with the forks.
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I have a feeling I'll be back on the Ninja again someday. Tough to find a good Kawi dealer around here. Another issue is non BMW dealers didn't know what to do with the RS. So here's what ultimately happened. The guy I traded it to for the Trumpets immediately sold it back to the dealer I bought it from. This pisses me off because the I called the BMW dealer I bought it from and asked them if they wanted it to buy it for the trade in value, and they were like nah... If I got the cash I could have bought a leftover Ninja and had some cash left over for mods. I'm super pissed. I'm glad I have the Trumphs as they're both awesome bikes, but i would have liked to have had the option. But I can trade the Triumphs in easier than one brand new RS for the same value if that makes any sense. SO an even trade for the Triumphs can turn into an even trade for the Ninja. Both Triumphs are cheaper to insure than one new Ninja though
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I am surprised they didn't want to buy it back. I wonder what they gave the other dealer for it? Maybe less than book trade value. That whole thing just seems effed up. Enjoy the bikes regardless, I am sure you'll have fun on them.
Meanwhile I should have my N1K pretty well finished off in the next few weeks if I have time. Next week the Angel GTs are going on. Then I'll likely do something with the rear shock, Traxxion comes to mind. Then maybe play with springs and oil up front. I ordered some heavier bar end weights to help tame the vibration in the bars. All in all it is really coming together and not costing a fortune to do it.
Meanwhile I should have my N1K pretty well finished off in the next few weeks if I have time. Next week the Angel GTs are going on. Then I'll likely do something with the rear shock, Traxxion comes to mind. Then maybe play with springs and oil up front. I ordered some heavier bar end weights to help tame the vibration in the bars. All in all it is really coming together and not costing a fortune to do it.
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You are right and no, I would not buy a Bandit. In comparing the Ninja 1000 & GSX-S1000F, be aware of what you get & don't get.
The Suzuki GSX-S100F doesn't have:
⦁ An adjustable windshield
⦁ More fairings
⦁ Power modes
⦁ Drilled & petal brake rotors
⦁ Integrated front turn lights
⦁ Chassis sensors
⦁ Eco mode
Kawasaki has:
1. Kawasaki Traction Control System (KTRC) - it works better than the Hayabusa's
2. Kawasaki Intelligent anti-lock Brake System (KIBS)
3. Power Mode
4. Kawasaki Corner Management Function (KCMF)
5. Bosch IMU, with chassis sensors
The Suzuki can't be better because it doesn't have all of that. Yeah, sure, Suzuki has TCS alright but guess what, Kawasaki's works better. They are not the same. Suzuki doesn't have power modes and they haven't applied chassis sensors to the bike yet. So, that tells you, the level, that Kawasaki is at right now, with their Ninja 1000. The overall package is much, much bigger. As usual, that also proves, how stripped out the Suzuki GSX-S1000 really is. The Bandit is the same way.
Suzuki didn't match the rotors to their calipers either. Suzuki's tires are also less sporty. The engine is also smaller & so is the fuel tank (4.4-4.5 g). The mirrors are on the handlebars. What it does have is, a little more high rpm power and it's lighter, which makes it feel more sporty. That's absolutely it though. It isn't a better tourer, hwy or high speed bike. In the 60-80 mph roll, the GSXS won by .1 but in the 80-100 mph roll, they tied. Highway passing rolls for both are fast and I mean real fast. Faster & as fast, as a Hayabusa & ZX-14R, depending on year.
Weight
Weight is a debate. The 2014 Ninja 1000's wet weight is 509 lbs., while the GSX-S1000F is at 475 lbs. That's a 34 lbs. difference. Where is all that weight though? At 1043cc, the N1K's engine is bigger, that's 15-16 lbs. Fuel tank capacity, for the N1K, is 5.0 g, compared to only 4.4-4.5 g. That's 4-5 lbs. right there. Now, the Ninja Z1000 weighs 475 lbs., compared to the N1K's 509 lbs. A reduction in fairings equals 15-25 lbs. So, the Ninja 1000 has about 15-25 lbs. worth of aerodynamics on the body. That's the weight difference. See, the Ninja Z1000 & GSX-S1000 weigh the same & so does the N1K & GSXSF. There isn't a shortfall. It isn't, that the Ninja 1000 is built flagrantly heavy, it just has more of everything. You get more, with the Ninja. The Bandit though, is half made. Let Suzuki put, everything in the bike first. Me, I wouldn't go that route.
The Suzuki GSX-S100F doesn't have:
⦁ An adjustable windshield
⦁ More fairings
⦁ Power modes
⦁ Drilled & petal brake rotors
⦁ Integrated front turn lights
⦁ Chassis sensors
⦁ Eco mode
Kawasaki has:
1. Kawasaki Traction Control System (KTRC) - it works better than the Hayabusa's
2. Kawasaki Intelligent anti-lock Brake System (KIBS)
3. Power Mode
4. Kawasaki Corner Management Function (KCMF)
5. Bosch IMU, with chassis sensors
The Suzuki can't be better because it doesn't have all of that. Yeah, sure, Suzuki has TCS alright but guess what, Kawasaki's works better. They are not the same. Suzuki doesn't have power modes and they haven't applied chassis sensors to the bike yet. So, that tells you, the level, that Kawasaki is at right now, with their Ninja 1000. The overall package is much, much bigger. As usual, that also proves, how stripped out the Suzuki GSX-S1000 really is. The Bandit is the same way.
Suzuki didn't match the rotors to their calipers either. Suzuki's tires are also less sporty. The engine is also smaller & so is the fuel tank (4.4-4.5 g). The mirrors are on the handlebars. What it does have is, a little more high rpm power and it's lighter, which makes it feel more sporty. That's absolutely it though. It isn't a better tourer, hwy or high speed bike. In the 60-80 mph roll, the GSXS won by .1 but in the 80-100 mph roll, they tied. Highway passing rolls for both are fast and I mean real fast. Faster & as fast, as a Hayabusa & ZX-14R, depending on year.
Weight
Weight is a debate. The 2014 Ninja 1000's wet weight is 509 lbs., while the GSX-S1000F is at 475 lbs. That's a 34 lbs. difference. Where is all that weight though? At 1043cc, the N1K's engine is bigger, that's 15-16 lbs. Fuel tank capacity, for the N1K, is 5.0 g, compared to only 4.4-4.5 g. That's 4-5 lbs. right there. Now, the Ninja Z1000 weighs 475 lbs., compared to the N1K's 509 lbs. A reduction in fairings equals 15-25 lbs. So, the Ninja 1000 has about 15-25 lbs. worth of aerodynamics on the body. That's the weight difference. See, the Ninja Z1000 & GSX-S1000 weigh the same & so does the N1K & GSXSF. There isn't a shortfall. It isn't, that the Ninja 1000 is built flagrantly heavy, it just has more of everything. You get more, with the Ninja. The Bandit though, is half made. Let Suzuki put, everything in the bike first. Me, I wouldn't go that route.
I owned a 2009 & 2011 Bandit 1250. Great bike with an alternator that put out enough juice to power a Sargent heated seat plus a heated vest and gloves. Dale Walker's rear shock and front fork brace improved the ride. But it was a little top heavy. Traded the 2011 in for a 2012 N1K which is more fun to ride but maybe not as comfortable.
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