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...I think I've found a Harley that I actually like.



I've done a little reading about this thing, and though it's no real serious performer, I actually think it looks cool as hell. Something really sets it apart from the other Harleys out there. And it's CHEAP!! By Harley standards, this thing's retail price of less than $7000 is pretty much a giveaway. I can only assume that it probably uses dated parts and technology. Of course, what Harley doesn't...

Hmmm, should I ever venture into the cruiser market, this might be my first pick. Nothing to pull my arms out of their sockets, but style! Dig that dirt-track type tank and graphics.
 

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Best regards Eric:

Is that a H-D Sportster 883? I'll like more in Silver color and Matte black. It looks nice anyway....But who knows about the reliabilty of those engines. Are you still looking for the Triumph Daytona? I saw a Daytona at my local Triumph dealer and looks AWESOME! and I'm not into sportsbikes but I'll consider one just for the "poser" factor at the local hangout:

http://jcisportbikes.com

I have been thinking on the Triumph Sprint RS and the Aprilia Falco as a replacement of my beloved ZR-7 in a distant future (2-3 years) Also I like a lot the looks of the new 2002 Aprilia Mille. Very expensive machines but maybe I can found a leftover in 3 years...But again who knows what kind of machines are goinf to be out like the Aprilia Blue Marlin or Aprilia Mana..!

Happy holidays and ride safe.

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Looks cool, I'll give you that.

Does it have the 883 cid motor? If so there'll be no problem with pulling your arms out of their sockets. But it is good if all you want is show and no go.

I also can't believe the price - did you actually find a new one that cheap?
 

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KawMan, click HERE. Click on the "specs and pricing" button and it'll show you the actual price of the bike. Pretty impressive for a Harley Davidson.

It weighs about 45 pounds more than a ZR-7, has more peak torque, but less peak horsepower. It would probably hang with a ZR-7 through 60 mph or so, that's my guess. After that, and the typical Harley gut-less top end would have it eating the Kawa's dust.

And yes, Itztli, I am definitely still after that Daytona. Money seems to be down a bit right now, so the purchase will probably have to wait until sometime next year. But I will have that bike, sooner or later. It's the only missing piece of my trio you see below.
 

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What's happening here...

You know, I guess I just never gave Harley's a second look, just because they're Harley's. I was browsing over their website, and the whole Sportster line is pretty cool looking, and reasonably priced, too.

Check this one out, only $5695.



I wonder why I don't see more of these on the road? Seems like every Harley actually out on the street is one of those $17,000 jobbies.
 

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I wonder why I don't see more of these on the road? Seems like every Harley actually out on the street is one of those $17,000 jobbies.
Because they're only 883's. Once you've been riding more than a few months, they just don't make the cut perfomance-wise (although they do look nice). None of the Harley guys I ride with care for them - they all own 1200's.

And as to why they're so expensive, once Hollywood adopted them the proces went catastrophic. That and the only way ot make one fast IS to dump a ton of money into it.
 

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I think it's just the Sportster line that is cheap-- Harley offers a basic 1200 Sportster for $7999.
 

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Another reason for making them affordable is they use to offer full price at trade in when you bought a bigger H-D. I don't know if they still use that ploy or not.
 

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My favorite H-D is the FXDX Dyna Super Glide Sport. Black engine, red tank, hmmm, sound familiar, eh? It is sooooo cool. And it's 88 cubic inches (1450 cc) so it should be able to keep up with our ZR-7's. My wife wants one really bad.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/motorcycles/motorcycles_view_large_model_image.jsp?PRODUCT<>prd_id=415135&FOLDER<>folder_id=440133&bmLocale=en_US&bmUID=1008970106703&skuCode=1GJV12-DOM--015--201--300--990

The pic is in silver. The H-D page also shows them in red and pearl white. That's the one she wants.

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Hey Triple, I sat on the 883 model that sells for $5695 just two days ago when I visited our newest H-D dealer grand opening. I like it. Matter of fact, I like it alot. This is the same bike I mentioned in our "other bike wanted" thread some time ago, the one that reminded me of that old TV show. I believe it was called "Then came Bronson" Anybody remember the show I'm thinking of? Tom
 

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the guy across the street from me at my old place had a dyna glide. it was plenty fast but he traded it in for a buell because he wanted better handling.

kawman is right, most folks trade in their 883 sportsters pretty soon because they want more. i was warned by my harley friends not to get an 883 sportster if i wanted a harley.

that being said, sportsters are a great kit bike. they come minimal but have more accessories available than anything else on the market since they've been around forever and haven't changed much. the ultimate base to start from if you want to customize.

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Here's one of my former bikes. 1981 FXEF, the fore runner to the Dyna series scoots. (not a very good pic though)
 

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I agree about the Dynas. I think the only Harley's I'd consider owning are the Dyna Super Glide Sport (or T-Sport with factory bags and touring windshield), the Fat Boy (of course), and the Softail Deuce.

I think there aren't more Sportsters around is because of the "status" thing. They're considered the "poor man's" Harley. Of course, you buy a full size Harley and you're immediately poorer. People that really want Harley's save up to buy the big boys. The Harley crowd doesn't seem to "step up" through the ranks like the rest of the motorcycling community.

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This is just an 883 Sportster with an Orange paint job and some black pieces. I'll agree it looks nice. Heck, I think the regular Sportster looks nice. They were introduced in 1957, and I think it's the same engine. :)

Seriously, the Sportster's been around forever, and has always been the "cheap" Harley. But make no mistake, you'll pay every bit of the 6 or 7 grand asking price. There will be no deals.

Also, I haven't seen a single kind review for the Sportster. In today's terms, they vibrate like crazy, make no power whatsoever (despite what the 883 cc might make you think), have a bone-jarring ride and, of course, leak oil. :D

The best thing any of the reviews has had to say about them is that they are Harleys. That wasn't enough for me.

However, I will also add that no bike I sat on in my quest for a first motorcycle "fit" me better than the Sportster I sat on. It just seemed perfect for my size and build. I sat on it, and every control just fell into my hands. I went to the Harley dealer to look at the Buells, but sitting on the Sportster was a nice surprise.
 

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Triple,

My 1999 883 Sportster was $7042.00 out the door. The first thing you have to do is "pay the Harley tax." Mine wouldn't idle worth a crap because the jetting was way to lean. So on goes the performance air cleaner, breather, jet kit and exhaust. All of these mods were good for about 50 BHP. If you want to know more look here: http://www.sportster.org

The ZR-7 smokes the Sporty down low, in the middle and on the top end.

The vibs were so bad at 70 MPH that I went through 8 tail lights in just a few months. Oh, and according to the Service Mgr. "all Sporsters blow their rocker box gaskets and leak oil." Mine did it twice. A friend of mine had his replaced three times!

I traded the Sporty in on a 1999 Ford Escort!

The Sporty looks like a real motorcycle! I wish I still had mine just for Sunday rides to the corner.

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A former client of mine has a Harley that he doesn't ride any more. He works for BMW Oz in the service area. Quote: "The only trouble with Harleys is that after you've bought one you have to spend 2,000 f&^%$*ing dollars on extra stuff so that it is actually rideable". I don't know - I'm just quoting him.

Another quote, in a review site listing makes/models of bikes available in Australia ... "Sportster 883 - Girl's bike". Again, I make no judgement - just quoting.



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Well, with all the reliability problems I've heard about these things, I guess I would probably never buy one. Besides, I could go and get myself a new Bonneville with twice the warranty and just as cool of looks if I wanted to spend $7000 on a cruiser. I do like the new paint and exhaust of the 883R, though. I do not think, however, that orange paint and a fancy two-into-one exhaust is worth the extra $1000 they charge for the R over the standard 883.

I'll stick to sporting machinery for a while, I think. If I move on to another type of bike from here, it will probably be a touring cycle. I'll hit the Harley showrooms when I hit middle-age. ;)
 

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I wouldn't say they are unreliable, you just have to keep chasing the darn things around with a set of wrenches. I couldn't keep bolts in the license plate. I even "Loc-tite" ed the damn things in and still managed to have one come out. I did have a problem with the oil return, but that was only because a previous owner had the inner primary cover welded back together after it broke (somehow?) and it wouldn't hold a vacuum. And I couldn't keep exhaust flange gaskets in it. Other than that, it wasn't a bad bike.

My sister has a Dyna and the rear fender has a crack in it where the seat bolts on. It just keeps spreading. I told her to take it down and have it drilled and welded. I don't know what other problems she's had, but she does a ritualistic walk around before and after each ride. Just an occupational hazard when it comes to H-D, ya gotta have a set of wrenches handy (and a wallet full of money to start with).
 

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SNAP OUT OF IT!

Ok, this is scaring me! Keep in mind these are Harley Davidsons. You know the type of bike that breaks down every season. Why else do you think these Harley guys have new bikes every damn year!
 

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I'm not saying they won't rattle themselves to death if they don't take care of them. *In general*, the H-D rider of today is not the same one of years past. There are people that buy them just for a status symbol. You know the type. (They're right up there with the ones that buy the huge SUV to pack groceries in and the only dirt it will see is the road grime off the freeway). The older riders knew what they were getting into when before they bought them. Now it's too inconvenient to pick up a wrench and do some maintenance. It's much easier to drive 'em into the ground, say it's a piece of sh** and buy a new one, what the heck.

The market on used H-D's is just as good as the new ones and the dealer knows it. So, yeah, I'll give a guy $10,000 trade in on a $18,000 bike, tighten the loose parts, throw on a trick item and sell it for $19,500. Then in the same breath sell the guy a new bike that I'll finance for another $21,000. And all for status.

On my trip to Fresno last month, an older couple on a Road King was cruising down the freeway (wearing their "Willie G" leathers) and I seen smoke coming off the bike. So I flagged 'em over and the only problem was the check plug on the transmission had worked loose and oil was spraying on the pipe. That's not a break down, that's lack of attention.

I'm not saying they don't have mechanical failures, but most of them can be prevented with just a little turn of a wrench. Ya just have to wrench a little more with a H-D than you do with a ZR.
 
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