[EDnPHX]

I am a prior owner of a Gen 2 FZ1. I now own a '13 N1K. I will say that without a doubt the FZ1 is little faster. The mid-range on that thing is just ferocious. It's lighter and has more hp. I don't quite get the "Holy S$%!" feeling on my Ninja that I used to on my FZ1.

 

[rcannon409]

Seriously old thread, but if you get some time, go to the dyno chart here and see why the fz1 feels different, or faster, in the midrange.

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This idea made it especially tough to set up small two strokes for kids. We respond to steep "increases" on dyno charts. Not so much with charts that are "high", but flat and boring.

But tune a big change around 6000, and kids would be shouting your name out and people woudl start calling asking you to build motors. Sort of like the difference between a 500 mile per hour airplane vs a rollercoaster at 60. One feels fast....

Pro Circuit exhausts did a lot of this. If you coudl go from 3 hp to 15 in 2000 rpm (very possible on a cr80) you got better feedback that going from 6-16 in the same range.

This specific chart shows the point since similar high rpm totals are the same...close, anyway.

Then look at the Suzuki. Low end, and midrange, is WAY above anyone else, yet its beginner friendly, easy to ride power.

 

[Squidlius]

I am a prior owner of a Gen 2 FZ1. I now own a '13 N1K. I will say that without a doubt the FZ1 is little faster. The mid-range on that thing is just ferocious. It's lighter and has more hp. I don't quite get the "Holy S$%!" feeling on my Ninja that I used to on my FZ1.

Sounds like either your FZ1 was modified and your Ninja is stock or your butt-dyno is a little off. The FZ1 is faster above 10,000 but the Ninja is much stronger everywhere below that. The FZ1 has a weak midrange for a liter bike and it doesn't weigh much less than the Ninja.

 

[Squidlius]

It's ironic that somebody resurrected this thread from the dead. I was just looking at dyno charts from a Gen I FZ1 and it has almost identical performance to the N1K. Not bad for being 10 years older. Except for being a little heavy and low tech, it was a fantastic bike in 2001.

 

[rcannon409]

First gen fz1. Great story here....200,000 Mile FZ1 ? fz1grl

Notice, too, the last entry is almost two years old...Who knows how many miles she has on it now.

Crazy reading through it, though. The lady is a real rider.

I heard her interviewed once. I think she would shoot you if you tried to get her on another bike.

 

[sleeper]

The FZ1 (I'm assuming GenII) with equal riders in an all out WFO race has the advantage. It makes more HP and weighs a couple lbs less. It's in normal day to day riding where the Ninja shines all over the Yanmaha.

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IMHO Squidlius is 100% correct, in normal everyday riding, no contest! It's not always about peak horsepower, it's where that hp is made on the tach that makes the difference. Honestly, how many of us spend that much time at or near redline unless we are drag racing or on a track? Around town I rarely see 6,00 on the tach, out on the highway about the same, except for the occasional WFO which probably happens to often but sure is fun. On-ramps I might hit 9-10 grand for a short run, but not very long. Day to day commuting and running errands I prefer that nice fat mid-range. Like Squidlius said, that's where the N1K shines! Again, IMHO.

 

[JonTheChron]

Don't forget the N1K has an electronic speed limiter, the Z1K does not.

 

[Diavelninja]

First gen fz1. Great story here....200,000 Mile FZ1 ? fz1grl

Notice, too, the last entry is almost two years old...Who knows how many miles she has on it now.

Crazy reading through it, though. The lady is a real rider.

I heard her interviewed once. I think she would shoot you if you tried to get her on another bike.

I just read her blog on how she covered 200k miles - amazing. That is one lady who loves to ride.

Goes to show you that you can keep these bikes a long time with proper timely maintenance.

 

[rcannon409]

OK..speaking of her maintenance schedule....Hers looks more like I treat a car I dont care about. Not bad, just not much.

Check the dates on the maintenance records...theres several where the bike gets an oil change, every three weeks, and covers 5000 miles.

Also notice the valve check..the bike gets checked at 26,600. Nothing again until 162,000. Two tight exhaust valves found. WOW!

I wonder if the bikes still going?

Credit given for someone too busy riding to work on it.

 

[Diavelninja]

Regardless of her maintenance schedule, 200k trouble free miles is a big ROI. Goes to show you that you need not baby the machine to squeeze out 200k miles.

BTW - most modern liquid cool engine can easily go 10k miles without a oil change, especially when using synthetic motor oil.

She noted in her blog, that she has only completed another 25k since turning 200k a few years ago. Most bikes are in motorcycle heaven way before then.

 

[sleeper]

Don't forget the N1K has an electronic speed limiter, the Z1K does not.

If you get your ECU reflashed by Ivan the speed limiter goes bye-bye.

 

[rcannon409]

Yes, it will be nice to feel that. Ya know, I'm so often moving along at 150 and getting passed by traffic.

I wonder what it will do with it removed? I'd love pt find out, but just dont have a place anymore thats safe. Without mentioning a specific mph, I dont so much care for the riding position at seriously high speeds. The monkey and football thing has its advantages at speeds over about 110.

 

[sleeper]

Yes, it will be nice to feel that. Ya know, I'm so often moving along at 150 and getting passed by traffic.

I wonder what it will do with it removed? I'd love pt find out, but just dont have a place anymore thats safe. Without mentioning a specific mph, I dont so much care for the riding position at seriously high speeds. The monkey and football thing has its advantages at speeds over about 110.

If you're getting passed at 150 then I need to move to Salt Lake, sounds like my kind of place! LOL

When it warms up here I intend to find out what 11,5 translates to in mph. I found a long straight stretch about 20 miles from my house, country road with almost NO traffic, good smooth pavement. Can hardly wait for spring!!!

 

[JonTheChron]

If you get your ECU reflashed by Ivan the speed limiter goes bye-bye.

Have you had confirmation about this? I noticed he mentions it on the ECU reflash page for the zx-14r.. its the first point.

But absolutely no mention of it on the Ninja 1000 ECU page.

 

[sleeper]

Have you had confirmation about this? I noticed he mentions it on the ECU reflash page for the zx-14r.. its the first point.

But absolutely no mention of it on the Ninja 1000 ECU page.

I apologize, this was an assumption on my part based on Ivan's blanket statement that "anything that compromises performance and/or driveability is eliminated."
I should not assume anything, but it does fall in line with the way he does things.

 

[rcannon409]

The speed limiter. It was one of the reasons I sent mine away vs the diy method.

Remember JJsc6 saying

"We pulled over to the shoulder and compared notes. I told him my bike ran 161 speedo, 150 GPS and I never felt a limiter."


He was up there daily (hourly???), or was back then. He would have found it. His explanation back then was great.

http://www.riderforums.com/3rd-gen-z1000-z1000sx-ninja-1000/69602-speedometer-error-top-speed-speed-limiter.html

I think the limiter was one of those things that gets lost in translation when a new bike is introduced. Happened this year with the 2014. Remember the ram air it was supposed to have? Or th enew shock linkage? The shock linkage has the same part number it always had. SO does the fairing pieces and intake parts. The airbox changed some, internally.

 

[levesl]

The speed limiter. It was one of the reasons I sent mine away vs the diy method.

Remember JJsc6 saying

"We pulled over to the shoulder and compared notes. I told him my bike ran 161 speedo, 150 GPS and I never felt a limiter."


He was up there daily (hourly???), or was back then. He would have found it. His explanation back then was great.

http://www.riderforums.com/3rd-gen-z1000-z1000sx-ninja-1000/69602-speedometer-error-top-speed-speed-limiter.html

I think the limiter was one of those things that gets lost in translation when a new bike is introduced. Happened this year with the 2014. Remember the ram air it was supposed to have? Or th enew shock linkage? The shock linkage has the same part number it always had. SO does the fairing pieces and intake parts. The airbox changed some, internally.

I am wondering why you think that there is not a kind of RAM air system. The two vent on the fairing side lead to hole in the frame and then in to the front of the air box.

 

[rcannon409]

Oh, I'd go for "kind-of" on the ram air system. Just not full on.

Also, they made thsi sound as if it was a new for 2014 item, but the part numbers never changed between the older bikes and now. Some of the internal airbox pieces did, but nothing external.