2015 Versys 1000LT Slipper clutch... would it fit ????

the0nlytruth · 2015-03-05

Hey Guys, Just saw that the Versys 1000 2015 has a slipper clutch and we don't....... You think it would fit in our beasts ? t0t

Chrispy

· #2 · Mar 5, 2015

Subscribed..........

I haven't studied the online fiche but it can't be too difficult to make work....... First question is the primary gear the same?

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THEMANRACING

· #3 · Mar 5, 2015

I bet it can be made to fit. But it will be a few years till you see some smashed up Verseys where you can get the assembly for a reasonable price, IMHO.

Interestingly the Verseys has 10.3 to 1 compression, where as the Ninja has 11.8 to 1. A point and a half is stupid huge.

I want to bump my Ninja 1.2 points over stock...lol

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rcannon409

· #4 · Mar 5, 2015 (Edited)

Jay, I'll bet you can do the compression raising..I remember workign with the honda crf 450's that the compression was one part of the story, but cam shape, and duration played a role too in cylinder pressure and avoiding detonation.

As you said, its probably $$$$ until some used parts come on to the market. I think the ninja is owned by older folks who dont crash much. So far we've not seen much in used parts. The Versys will be worse.

OK, so back to a search....2015 Versys clutch Looks like a few parts are shared with us.

2015 Kawasaki VERSYS 1000 (KLZ1000BFF) Clutch | Babbitts Kawasaki Parts House

The clutch inner hub, itself, appears to be the same as always. The clutch housing (basket) is
too...
13095-0118 Partzilla Search

13095-0118 HOUSING-COMP-CLUTCH $430.89

At least two familiar parts.....

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the0nlytruth

Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 6, 2015

Chrispy said:
Subscribed..........

I haven't studied the online fiche but it can't be too difficult to make work....... First question is the primary gear the same?

Pretty sure i've read it is shorter on the Versys.

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THEMANRACING

· #6 · Mar 6, 2015

the0nlytruth said:
Pretty sure i've read it is shorter on the Versys.

I could be wrong, but I think you guys are talking about different things. I believe Chrispy is talking about the gear stuck to the back of the clutch basket itself, and I believe you are talking about the transmission/overall gearing for the bike.

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THEMANRACING

· #7 · Mar 6, 2015 (Edited)

RC I am confused by your search results. It looks like two different searches for the same part? The clutch basket?

That the clutch basket is the same is awesome. That will make a retro fit cheaper, and means the answer to Chrispy's question is a tentative yes, the primary is the same.

From looking at the Microfiche that RC provided, it looks like the slipper is operated by the inner hub and pressure plate. That would look to be a reasonably simple swap.

The question would be how well does it actually work.

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rcannon409

· #8 · Mar 6, 2015

That search was confusing to me. Its not finished, obviously, but if someone else wants to take over...

It was nice to see a few shared parts. I'm thinking it could be possible. I was excited when the expensive part, the 430.00 one, was shared between our bikes.

That would be the gear we were concerned with.

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the0nlytruth

Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 7, 2015

1000$ for an aftermarket slipper clutch is way too much, but if we can do this for few hundreds by swapping parts with the Versys, I might be in

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THEMANRACING

· #10 · Mar 7, 2015

Looks like the deal is $400 to $500 on top of a clutch change (the only reasonable time to do it in my own opinion). Thats still pretty pricey. IMHO.

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rcannon409

· #11 · Mar 7, 2015

Jay, what all do we need to buy?

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levesl

· #12 · Mar 7, 2015

Involve changing a lots of parts. I may have not seen all of them!

Look like this. Subtotal: $819.92

HUB-CLUTCH
Kawasaki
item: 13087-0566 $207.87 1 $207.87

PLATE-FRICTION
Kawasaki
item: 13088-0568 $19.48 9 $175.32

PLATE-CLUTCH,T=2.3
Kawasaki
item: 13089-0023 $12.58 1 $12.58

PLATE-CLUTCH,SPG COMP
Kawasaki
item: 13089-0024 $12.58 1 $12.58

PLATE-CLUTCH,T=2.3
Kawasaki
item: 13089-1084 $11.00 6 $66.00

PLATE-CLUTCH OPERATING
Kawasaki
item: 13187-0023 $108.47 1 $108.47

PLATE
Kawasaki
item: 13272-1413 $10.85 1 $10.85

SEAT-SPRING
Kawasaki
item: 16007-0711 $3.26 3 $9.78

SPRING
Kawasaki
item: 92145-1630 $5.87 3 $17.61

COVER-CLUTCH
Kawasaki
item: 14032-0590 $198.86 1 $198.86

Subtotal: $819.92

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THEMANRACING

· #13 · Mar 7, 2015

Looks to me like the inner hub and the pressure plate, along with the springs and plate that is near the springs.

Thats my opinion, but I would really need to have one of each in my hands to look at it.

I have done something similar before. I put a slipper out of an 06 G1k into my buddies 04 G1k.

As far as clutch plates, i bet the ones from the ninja would work. I would be certain the friction plates would work, and have reasonable confidence that the steels would work as well. But again I think this mod makes the most sense when it time to replace the clutch anyway.

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rcannon409

· #14 · Mar 7, 2015

Levesl, thanks for digging in like that. Its a pain in the ***.

Interesting search for part number 13089-0023. It comes up as being for the zx6r. (plates)

13089-1084 shows fitting the zx6, zx9, our bikes and others... (plates again)

Could it be this slipper really is not that special, and just might be from the zx6/zx10?

The 14032-0590 is the outer cover and 190.00. This often shows up as fitting the 2014 z1000. It might just be a paint only change since that bike has no slipper.

I'm thinking levesl list is correct, but we might be able to delete a few high dollar items, or re use some of what we have. Even if we cut 190 bucks from the outer cover, thats a big deal.

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THEMANRACING

· #15 · Mar 7, 2015

I just ordered the parts I thought I would need to do it. It was $365 and change. Should be here in a couple weeks. I will try and do a how-to when the parts come in, as well as an actual parts list.

Hopefully none of the parts are on back order.

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rcannon409

· #16 · Mar 7, 2015 (Edited)

LOVE YOU! I cant wait for the results, and thank you.

Based on that order, the leg must be ok enough? You should put the leg story into a book. The title could be "Fifty Shades of Jay" We'll sell a million copies of you start writing, soon.

I've only activated my c14's slipper a few times, and its not a great experience. The noise is bad. Its not butter smooth like it was in my rc race truck.

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THEMANRACING

· #17 · Mar 7, 2015

One of my first group rides on the Ninja I went to meet up with everyone at a Love's by my house and I come screaming in like I know what I am doing and when hard braking to make the entrance the rear end started to chatter like crazy. I was like "ow yea, nothing announces an entrance like a complete lack of skill"...lol

Hopefully this will help with that. I did forget to order a clutch cover gasket. I am an idiot...lol

I used the slipper on my 08 g1K all the time. It was super smooth. Like cheating on corner entry.

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carryall

· #18 · Mar 7, 2015

Just a funny "side note', and worthless to the discussion at hand but, every time I here people talk about slipper clutch's I'm reminded of the original one built by a motorcycle drag racer...Only reason is I had a old Rambler American I re-built that had the same 2 speed borg-warner transmission that he had used for parts for his prototype. Only automatic tranny car I've owned that you could push start.

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rcannon409

· #19 · Mar 7, 2015

carryall said:
Just a funny "side note', and worthless to the discussion at hand but, every time I here people talk about slipper clutch's I'm reminded of the original one built by a motorcycle drag racer...Only reason is I had a old Rambler American I re-built that had the same 2 speed borg-warner transmission that he had used for parts for his prototype. Only automatic tranny car I've owned that you could push start.

How is a slipper valuable for drag racing? Why did they go to the trouble to invent it? One of the guys I work with has an old Rambler station wagon. He drives it to work everyday. Its not restored, just well take care of. 400,00 miles on it, and it runs perfectly.

Maybe I answer my own question, but our modern rc cars are so powerful, my little truck will wheelie unless the speed control mapping, or mechanical slipper slips.

I suppose a drag racer does the same?

On our motorcycles, is a slipper really a slipper? I picture it more as back torque slipping vs a slipping clutch.

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carryall

· #20 · Mar 7, 2015

The bike was called "hogslayer" and was the fastest drag bike in the 70's. I'm not too computer savy, but I believe wiki has a link to its design from a guy called TC I believe.

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