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2017 Ninja 650 no love?? Compare maybe to the Vulcan S Beginner rider here

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    Smile 2017 Ninja 650 no love?? Compare maybe to the Vulcan S Beginner rider here

    Little backstory feel needed for what i'm looking for...
    ill try and keep this short and simple as I can. 32 years old looking to start riding, lot of city riding in Miami, Do not have canyons unfortunately but kinda tired of driving my car. Thought on Ninja 300 or R3 but i fear I would grow out of it very quick. I have driven cars mostly 5-6 speeds now a automatic and clearly very different from Motorcycles however even now driving a 16 Accord Sport not a fast car mind you but I am looking for something more from the pedal and not getting it so I know ill be looking for this from the bike but I am not looking to go crazy on the highway 100+ mph def not reckless either I just want good acceleration for in town and highway / passing capabilities.

    I have kept my eye on motorcycles for the past few years and honestly I have thought about quite a few of them for ex:
    Honda Grom (Not really highway capable or very long distance riding... maybe fun but i dont think 1st bike material for me at least)
    Ninja 300 (Fear the lack or acceleration and passing ability is gonna get on my nerves)
    Yamaha R3 (Higher torque / acceleration than the 300 from what I have read never ridden but I am not too crazy about either 300 or this)
    Ninja 650 (2017) (Slipper clutch, Gear indicator, loving what this bike has to offer so far but I am not seeing too many people talking about this bike making me a little concerned that I am missing something?)
    Vulcan S (2017) Cruiser style with a 650 sport engine some decent torque from what I see but again I see some people talking about this bike, not too many mods and just a toss up i think between this one and 650 Ninja.

    Ultimate Goal:
    I am looking for a bike that I can grow into, Do not want to go crazy the Vulcan and 650 are already the highest im willing to go and most likely will be going after the ABS models, Do not know of any biker clubs or scene over here or anyone who rides even its just been a calling for a very long time and I feel like i need to get one before its too late if that makes sense. I would like to mod the bike over time little by little and just enjoy the hell out of it of course.

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    Ok, I went to the dealership today and sat on a few of the Vulcan S models / colors and that's a damn sexy bike.... buuuuuuuuuuuut when I sat on the new 650 omg it felt so right if that makes sense at all, the way my legs hugged the tank, the riding position, I wasn't completely flat footed on both sides i am only 5'7 but very close to it I had only my heel a little up but this bike is one sexy beast! I still have to go through the course and get my license but yea as they say go with what you feel? not sure if this applies to bikes but it felt right I am now that much more motivated to get it

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    Hi Jack (Captain Sparrow), welcome to the forum!

    I started (as a total noob to motorcycles) with the Honda CB110 (a small 110cc bike). The Honda made my transition to the MY2013 Ninja 650 pretty easy. And I still have the Honda for short trips in our local traffic-ridden metropolis. Nice little bike that Honda.

    I too am 5'7" and flat foot my MY2013 Ninja 650. The MY2017 Ninja 650's seat height is supposed to be an inch lower than the MY2013. Were you wearing sneakers when you jumped into the MY2017 Ninja 650 seat? I suggest you get riding boots -- the heel is higher and you should be able to flat foot the MY2017. Keeps your foot (and ankle) safe too.

    Is the Ninja 650 any fun? Its depend. You young (32yo IMO is young) riders just pick a destination and then go. We old riders just go and then pick a destination.

    Enjoy and ride safe! :-)
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    Sadly I do not have the bike yet BlueSentra, As much as I wanted to drive it out of the dealership I have no experience on a motorcycle... I have experience racing bikes (Road Bikes) and racing longboards down hills / mountains you could say I am an adventure seeker or adrenaline junky in part or at least I know how to appreciate certain levels of this and I know motorcycles are going to be a blast! I already loved the feeling I had on top of the 650 I just can't wait to take it home.

    I was wearing sneakers when I was on the bike, I didn't test drive it not yet. I plan on getting my motorcycle license in the next week or two? and I have to buy some gear before then so I can feel protected at least minimally during the training stages and get better gear by the time I actually go purchase the bike.

    As for destination... That's a good one I honestly have NO Idea where I am going to be riding to.. I have to see if there are any people in Miami that get together for rides or if there are certain areas that are amazing vs others that are meh not so great. I am looking at gear now on revzilla, not sure of any other big site that offers gear like them yet but im sure ill come across a few

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    I started on a 1988 Ninja 250. I had that bike for over 6 years. I then acquired my brother's 2009 Ninja 250 and kept that for 3 years. I just purchased a 2017 Ninja 650 and love it. I'm glad I didn't start with it though. I don't ride crazy, but the 250s and 300s are so much easier for low speed such as in parking lots and stop and go traffic.

    That's just my .02. My roommate's 2016 Ninja 300 is an awesome bike for cruising on and works fantastic on all the back roads around here where the speed limit is 55 MPH.
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    Watch YouTube videos about riding in Florida. As an adrenalin junky, you will soon be riding wheelies down the wrong side of the highway.
    I started riding in Florida when I was nineteen. It had nothing to do with adrenalin. It had to do with being out there in open air. Riding with girls in bikinis on the back of the bike while rolling down the Daytona Beach sand.
    The 300 bikes have plenty of acceleration off the light but will not easily wheelie down the interstate.
    If you want to attract girls and get respect from the road warriors get a 600cc Supersport.
    I gave Miami a wide berth the last time I went to Key West. To many cars for me.
    Good luck with your choice.

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    Maybe I should clear something up, I like speed but I have had my phase of speed in a variety of different ways from driving to longboarding in cali and other zones, do i love it absolutely! but I also respect the speed and am very conscious of how fast is enough vs just full throttle down a street without having much experience behind me at all.

    The thing about the 300... I love this bike, talking more about looks here but yea it also has a slipper clutch, very beginner friendly sure that's a big plus and as much as doing a wheelie looks cool ill be damned if I try it on my brand new bike lol, ill take a class or have someone teach me on a whatever bike but that wont ever be attempted in the beginning stages of riding that's for sure. The thing I am not too sold on the 300... 1 i know the R3 has better take off = torque than the Ninja 300... where as the Ninja has a better top speed. I am looking for acceleration to get me out of a situation that I might be in or if i want a little boost I know it's there at the turn of the wrist but as I said before nothing crazy.

    The 600cc super sport is a beast from what I have seen and frankly much faster than the 650 which honestly I am no expert I just know these things are monsters and it's just weird to write or say i think id be more comfortable on a 650 being a higher cc engine... very screwy for me right now haha.

    The 650 looked very much like the 600SS just slight differences. I am looking for as you said too the open air / freedom but don't tell me it's not a rush when you ride a motorcycle i mean hell i never ridden and I know this and I just know myself, my style I will outgrow the 300 within a month or 2. Appreciate the imput though for sure!

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    You will surely outgrow any 300cc motorcycle in a month. Its really better to have that power at your disposal to get out of bad situations. Also, the power delivery on 2017 Ninja 650 is so constant and smooth. It's not a super sport and u should be fine with normal acceleration.

    This is my first bike in US and the highest cc than any other motorcycle I ever had. Being new(on motorcycle) to US traffic conditions, I thought of getting a smaller bike(R3/RC390). But finally got a 650 a week back and already have 300miles on it.

    Another reason to get a 650 instead of 300: I felt the vibration while riding at 65mph on highway. Think about a 300cc bike doing the same speed? It vibrates like hell and light af. You will be blown away by the wind from passing cars and they just cant cope up with the speeds.


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    I'd say the 650 is a good bike to start on and you won't outgrow it soon eighther. Take the safety course saves on insurance, and will help you to learn the right way to ride. Ride safe, enjoy ....I really like the retro styling of the new triumphs as well
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    I just upgraded from an R3 to a new 2017 Ninja 650 a couple weeks ago. I didn't expect to upgrade until next year, but a woman hit my biked while parked so that sped things up. A few observations from my year of ownership on the R3:

    1. You won't necessarily out grow it in a month. if you're only interested in drag racing from stop like to stop light, then yes, but if you're more interested in commuting and the occasional weekend canyon run, then the R3 is great.

    2. It doesn't suck on the freeway or feel like you're going to vibrate to pieces. At 80mph you're at 8000rpm and it redlines at 12,500. You're fine. And you still have enough left to get up to 90 and pass if need be, but it really starts to wheeze above 90. Tops out around 105mph. Anyone that tells you you're endangering your life if you can't accelerate to 120mph to pass a semi-truck in an instant is full of ****.

    3. Its perfect for lane splitting. The bike is so narrow and light, that lane splitting in LA traffic (I'm in California) was a breeze.

    As for the Ninja, a few observations:

    1. You'll feel the weight difference. Its about 50lbs heavier then the R3 or other 300cc sport bikes and you'll feel it. Its not exactly heavy, but its not as flickable as the R3.

    2. You'll enjoy the stability the added weight brings. Yes, its heavier at slow speed, but it gives confidence with high speed sweepers and on the freeway. You don't get blown around nearly as much.

    3. The added torque and HP is great. Being able to pull more readily in any gear just makes things easier.

    That being said, there are things I miss about my R3, and if the bike hadn't been hit, I would have been fine being on the bike for another year. Yes, it wasn't the fastest around, but it was still ear to ear grin fun every time I went up to Angeles Crest Highway. My plan for year two was to upgrade to sticker rubber so I could wring every last bit out of it, but that plan was cut short. No hard feelings though, the Ninja is a great bike that I'm thoroughly enjoying.

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    Much appreciated all the responses that I have gotten so far, SimpleCripple sorry to hear about your R3 man I tend to take care of my things very much and especially my car when I find a new ding or scratch I get pretty upset I could imagine a total wreck of my "Future" bike when I come back to find it like that I would most likely be beyond pissed haha.

    I liked the weight of the 650 but then again I only sat on it but i flicked it with my legs from side to side, I am not skinny or fat i am 5'7 188lbs and not that it really matters but I do workout quite a bit I just dont want people to think im a twig in saying that the weight of the bike felt pretty nice and controllable I know once I start moving it will be even lighter.

    I seriously can't wait to get this bike... Funny enough I havent looked into any mods yet the only thing I am really interested in finding out which I am gonna look now is what tires they come with I didn't look at that yet but I have researched some tired for street riding, riding in the rain, and having ****ty road conditions debris or sand etc and found that the Metzeler Sportec M7 RR tires perform exceptionally well and wear very nice.

    If the tires on the ninja are ok ill prob stick with those for a while but gotta review em

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    Just found the tires and honestly they aren't very good from the reviews I am looking at and what people are saying.... looks like I will be getting tires before the bike so I can have the shop switch it up for me.

    Front tire: 120/70-17; Dunlop Sportmax D214
    Rear tire: 160/60-17; Dunlop Sportmax D214
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    Yea I had the sportmaxx on my 14, hated them. I recently upgraded to some Bridgetone Battleaxe BT023 and love them, cornering is phenomenal, wet traction is good, got about 1500 miles and no signs of wearing, overall I'm happy so far with them. Btw also a Florida rider here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge1992 View Post
    Yea I had the sportmaxx on my 14, hated them. I recently upgraded to some Bridgetone Battleaxe BT023 and love them, cornering is phenomenal, wet traction is good, got about 1500 miles and no signs of wearing, overall I'm happy so far with them. Btw also a Florida rider here.
    That's badass man I was in tampa last year visiting someone and it's a awesome spot, I noticed a lot of bars and breweries and surprisingly on a regular night they were all full haha looks like a awesome place to live and have a chill life but idk was only there a couple days.

    Yea the whole ****ty tire on bikes I don't really get i guess to try and keep costs down but whatever it's not a arm and a leg to change them the prices are reasonable imo. I have been doing a lot of searching to see if there are any communities over here close to Miami and for the most part I have found groups for cruisers and harleys and other groups that say they welcome all bikes but all the photos are again cruisers and choppers etc :P I am very much in love with the 650 but it seems like there isn't really a community out here for sports bikes or maybe I just haven't found them yet.

    How is the tampa scene in riding?

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    I'm hoping to have a LOT of love for a 2017 Ninja 650 at some point.

    We shall see.......

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    Another Florida rider here (Tampa) and a few thoughts. I rode a bike a bit as a kid - first street legal bike was a Honda Trail 70 followed up by a CB125. My room mate had a CB750 I would ride on occasion but for the most part had not ridden on a street bike in 30 years (just turned 50, guess I'm the old man of the group). A few years ago decided I wanted a bike, did the MSF course, got my endorsement and for months hit the reviews. Should I start with a 250/300 and move up questions, standard/cruiser/sport, insurance costs, etc. I also had to kind of define the mission of what I wanted the bike for. I wanted a weekend toy. I wanted to have fun on back roads. Still a kid at heart, no tat's or pony tail so it ruled out Harley's. Didn't want a cruiser anyway but knew enough about my skill set to stay away from liter super sports if I wanted to live. The main reason I chose the 650 over a 300 class came down to one main thing... Price. I got my brand new 2014 650 in Feb 2015 for about the same price ($5200) as the 300cc bikes at the time and I'm glad I did.

    I'm kinda of blessed to live where I do in Tampa (north Brandon area). Three miles or so and I'm on somewhat rural country roads but have to ride 20 miles before getting to any really good twisties. I'm more or less strictly a weekend morning rider, once it hits 2:00 or so traffic really sucks around here. I ride past a lot of raisin ranches and towns (retirement communities - Zepher Hills, Dade City) and it can get scary riding though them once it hits noon. I usually take off around 8am and get back around lunch - have a pint or two and go home. Most of the 55mph numbered roads cruise at 70-75mph or you will get ran over. About half my 180-200 mile ride is cruising on these roads at 75mph to get to the fun spots. While I'm sure a 300cc would do it, I just didn't want to do 100 miles or so every ride at 75mph on a 300cc. Just turned 26,000 miles on the Ninja 650 after two years of strictly weekend riding. 3 sets of tires, 2 chains and a blinker bulb in that amount of time.

    Now for the things that took me awhile to get comfortable with on the 650 (that they don't teach you in the MSF course on their little 250cc trainers) but probably true on most any bike:

    1) The weight overall and how to properly balance the bike - not while riding, but just moving it around in the garage without the engine running. It's not hard, but it did take a bit to get comfortable at it.
    2) Dealing with wind, cross wind and wind off simi's at 70mph. Its unsettling at first - but its part of the learning thing.
    3) Potholes! Again, most of my riding is on the back roads. Back roads with lots of trees that project shade on the road that can make detecting potholes a bit harder. It took time before I lost my paranoia of them. May just be me though.

    Overall I couldn't be happier with the 650 as my first bike in 30 years. But then again, I probably would have been just as happy with a FZ7 or any other of the other 650 competition. I don't think I would have been very happy with a 300cc for my style of riding. I ride with a buddy at work on occasion that has swapped bikes 3 times in the last 2 years and asks me on occasion when I'm going to upgrade. I tell him not for awhile. The 650's is not as fast as a super sport or as nimble as a 300cc, I can take it on the off road trails and explore Green Swamp. And that is something I'd never try on a liter sport bike or even a cruiser - the Ninja 650 actually has enough ground clearance to allow for a bit of off road exploration. I can also cruise all day at 75mph and don't feel the need to do 140mph. In a bit of aggression yesterday passing slow traffic I hit 105 and that's probably the fastest I've really ever had it up to. I like speed, but in corners not a straight line. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and I'd love a new Ninja 1000 or a Versys 1000 (not as a entry level bike but as a upgrade) but the 650 does everything I want it to do for the most part and has been exceptionally reliable (stranded me once - broken chain) so don't see the need to upgrade.

    BTW - Hey Sarge! Need to setup a ride again.
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