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This is a discussion on 2017 owners please post your temp gauge within the General Ninja 650R forums, part of the Kawasaki Ninja 650R category; Mine has been in the shop twice with the dealer. Where on the temp gauge is "in the red"? Mine while idling at 40 degrees ...

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    2017 owners please post your temp gauge

    Mine has been in the shop twice with the dealer. Where on the temp gauge is "in the red"?

    Mine while idling at 40 degrees F is 1 away from the top. Then the fan stays on and it bounced from there to 1 less bar. Is this how yours is? It looks like it's high to me. In trying to get feedback before going back to the dealer.
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    my 17 is normal. Have 140 miles on the odo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAPD911 View Post
    my 17 is normal. Have 140 miles on the odo.
    Can you define what normal is for yours while stopped?

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    Mine has started doing the exact same. I changed my oil at 300 miles (same kind the dealership put in) and I just hit 600 miles today. I'm taking mine in on Thursday for the 600m service and I'm going to ask them about it. Have they told you what has been causing this?


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    Nope. So far it seems like no one really knows. I told them that's not normal. The fan keeps coming on just idling and then quickly heat back up. The fan turns on to move the lines from 5 to 4 and then repeats. It looks like their are 6 lines total.

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    How about some video? Record the bike from cold (unstarted for the day) until the fan's kick on at idle, then a few minutes of the fans cycling on off. I'd think we'd be able to hear the fans turning on/off.

    What are the temps like while your riding on a 40F day?

    What is your baseline for this activity "not normal"? If you owned prior motorcycles or even a 650, you cannot use that as the baseline for normal for this bike. I agree it would seem odd if the temp gets into the red before the fan kicks on, unless it says something to that effect in the owners manual. But in your pic, I don't see red, I see 4 bars.
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    I do have a recording of it idling on my roommate's phone. I'll get a copy of it and upload it. I can't make a new recording right now as it's at the dealer again. Their are only a total of 6 lines on the gauge. Line #6 the manual says the warning lights go on and the bike needs to be shut down to avoid severe damage. The shop measured the temp around 230 degrees. The book says the warning lights will come on at 239 degrees. That is only 9 degrees F difference. It would seem to me that it's running very close to the max tolerance in heat. I do not know how to check these things however.

    I filled out the survey from Kawasaki about my purchase and requested a representative contact me. I'd like to ask them myself.

    While riding at 40 degrees at 60 MPH It is showing 3-4 lines on the gauge. Once I come to a stop the lines go up to 4 and then 5. Then the fans turn on at 5 lines till it goes to 4. Then it goes back up to 5 lines in a few seconds. The fans turn back on until it shows 4 lines again. This then repeats.

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    Honestly this seems pretty normal. I wouldn't worry about the numbers. The reason is, at different places/points in the engine/cooling system the temperatues going to vary greatly. So depending on where Kaw put the sensor, the actual degrees might be higher or lower.

    The guage activity seems normal. Pretty much sounds like how my bike works. Granted, different models/years, but basically if I let it sit idlig the fans kick on for 20-30 seconds, turn off for a minute, then kick on again.

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    Hi Vic, I’m afraid the numbers do matter. The thermostat is kept closed and keeps coolant from circulating into the radiator until engine temperature reaches upto about 80 deg C (177 deg F). When the thermostat does open, the radiator fan switches on when the engine temperature reaches 104 deg C (219 deg F). The radiator fan switches off when the engine temperature goes down to 99 dec C (210 deg F).

    At 110 deg C (230 deg F) at idle while standing still at 4 deg C (40 deg F) surroundings, it could mean the radiator fan isn’t pulling enough air through the radiator (radiator fan or radiator fins problem) OR the engine coolant isn’t circulating well (blockage, poor water pump impeller or defective thermostat).

    The bike is so new (and should be under warranty), I wouldn’t recommend tinkering with it – bring the bike to the stealership and let them solve the problem!

    I do note that the water pump and thermostat for the 2013 Ninja 650 and 2017 Ninja 650 are identical – so, we could rule out engineering design flaw for these parts. However, the radiator and radiator fans for the model years are different. What’s weird is that the 2017 Ninja 650’s radiator fan (pn#59502-0608) is a different design – it has a “shroud” which could be the reason why radiator air flow is limited, and thus, might be contributing to the overheating. Just a thought.

    I hope the above helps. Enjoy and ride sane! :-)
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    The reason I said the numbers don't matter is because the "shop measured the temperatue" but we have no idea how or where they measured it. Did they measure it using a laser thermometer? Is that pulled from the sensor system? We have no idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSentra View Post
    Hi Vic, I’m afraid the numbers do matter. The thermostat is kept closed and keeps coolant from circulating into the radiator until engine temperature reaches upto about 80 deg C (177 deg F). When the thermostat does open, the radiator fan switches on when the engine temperature reaches 104 deg C (219 deg F). The radiator fan switches off when the engine temperature goes down to 99 dec C (210 deg F).

    At 110 deg C (230 deg F) at idle while standing still at 4 deg C (40 deg F) surroundings, it could mean the radiator fan isn’t pulling enough air through the radiator (radiator fan or radiator fins problem) OR the engine coolant isn’t circulating well (blockage, poor water pump impeller or defective thermostat).

    The bike is so new (and should be under warranty), I wouldn’t recommend tinkering with it – bring the bike to the stealership and let them solve the problem!

    I do note that the water pump and thermostat for the 2013 Ninja 650 and 2017 Ninja 650 are identical – so, we could rule out engineering design flaw for these parts. However, the radiator and radiator fans for the model years are different. What’s weird is that the 2017 Ninja 650’s radiator fan (pn#59502-0608) is a different design – it has a “shroud” which could be the reason why radiator air flow is limited, and thus, might be contributing to the overheating. Just a thought.

    I hope the above helps. Enjoy and ride sane! :-)

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    I fit was with the laser thermometer, lol.

    Overheating is when the bike, overheats....not when the fan comes on. Overheat is coolant blowing out of the overflow

    The fan cycles on to prevent overheating. Its an issue when the fan kicks on, but the keeps climbing. In that case, you would see all the bars lit up, and probably an additional warning light.


    I have a lot better fuel maps for my two big kawasaki bikes than a 17 will come with. Neither bike will sit and idle without the fan kicking on.

    This was obvious when I tried to set the tps as per Ivans instructions. Bike would idle for two minutes, then the fan kicks on. I had to wait for the fan to cycle off, then try again.

    But, to think a bike is overheating because you think too many bars are lit up, on a temp gauge, seriously?

    Most of the car companies eliminated the bar system, and just went to a light because people freak out if/when a gauge reads over 50% of its value. It "feels" wrong,and it "looks" too hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcannon409 View Post
    Overheating is when the bike, overheats....not when the fan comes on. Overheat is coolant blowing out of the overflow
    It's not (overheating)? So, what's the problem? Just ride the bike then! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by rcannon409 View Post
    Most of the car companies eliminated the bar system, and just went to a light because people freak out if/when a gauge reads over 50% of its value. It "feels" wrong,and it "looks" too hot.
    Makes sense. So, just enjoy the ride and stay sane!
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    The dealership said they? used a thermometer they aimed by the radiator. I have the bike back again and have been riding it. 200 miles and it smells like melting plastic. However I don't see any damage with a flashlight. When I stopped in a parking lot today another rider said it smells like I'm burning something. So I know it's not just me.

    The dealership said the smell is normal. I work in an injection molding plant and it does smell like very hot/burnt plastic. Maybe this new smell is unrelated. I'll wait and see if it goes away. Maybe the shop just spilled something where it gets hot.

    The bike runs fantastic which is the main thing ?

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    Passive, we had 4 laser thermometers between three of us service guys, and decided to do a shootout.

    I had an expensive one and a harbour freeight. The other guys both had Fluke brand, which is pretty high end. Theres were identical.

    We decided to test them, for accuracy, and aimed them at a big radiator.

    75 degree variation, between all four, and none of them were even close to each other. Real temp was 209 degrees measured by the machines sensor. We saw anywhere from 175-250 degrees on our laser temp guns.

    We left more confused than when we started, but the infrared temp guns are junk. They might work to see a temp difference between two parts, like "in" portion of a radiator vs "out",but to say your bike is running at XXX degrees because the infrared said so, no way.

    We started them "random number generators". One of them may have been close, but which one?
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    YEah mines the same,it never reaches the top line but after about 20 min ride gets from 0 bars to 5.I talked to dealership and they said its quite normal for the bike,but to bring it in if it ever reaches 6...2500kms into odo and still staying at 5,hopefully it will.
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