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Why is the N650 more fun to lean?

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    Why is the N650 more fun to lean?

    Let me explain a little better. I have a wonderful Street Triple 765 RS + nice windscreen that is basically superior to the Ninja in every way except one. The way the Ninja leans side to side feels more satisfying than the 765. Anyone else have a similar observation? The Ninja makes me want to seek out curves. I don't get that sensation on the 765. Leaning on the Ninja feels like a fun video game. The Street Triple makes me feel sketchy from time to time, I don't know. The Triumph is probably the more capable corner carving machine in the right hands, but the Ninja has some secret leaning sauce sensation.

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    Maybe you just like the body position better?

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    I don't own a Triumph but by its specs - it should be superior in every conceiveable way to the Ninja - especially the handling. I found my 650 to be a capable but pedestrian handling bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasong7131 View Post
    Maybe you just like the body position better?

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    +1

    Also, I wonder whether the Ninja has better mass centralization than the Triumph. That might make it more flickable.
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    First I just want to point out that I didn't suggest it was more flickable, just that the Ninja felt more "fun" for some reason. Also I'm not talking about compression/rebound, clearly Triumph is better there. Okay I pondered this for a while, and I think I can answer my own question. Beyond body position, I think the deal is that my Street's handling is so nimble and so eager to lean that it's unnerving to me. The Ninja takes more input to move, and at the urban speeds that I ride at, somehow it translates into a better feel / feedback. If I may re-word it in a second way, the fact that it takes more effort imparts better precision/feel at "low" speeds. I guess I'm more comfortable with the pedestrian machine. =P

    The Street is an amazing bike, but there are little things that I've never adjusted to. Vibes in the left bar, mirror blur for days, sloped seat always shifting my pants and sending me into the gas tank, and it's eager to stall from a stop, and the clutch engagement is far out and grabby. The Ninja is infinitely easier and 100% reliable to blast off from a stop light when lane splitting, N650 never stalls out instead it's hopping the front wheel. The Street is soft in the lower revs, or lofting the front, it's a pita to get just right. It's like death by a 1000 paper cuts. Perhaps too much track dna in the Street. I use the Ninja to commute, but I've been grabbing it for weekend rides too, the Triumph is starting to collect dust.

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    Is it the rake and trail ? From memory the Ninja has panigale numbers but ive never compared with any others
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    Well I agree that the triple is better than the ninja as a do them all bike, but not a better bike in every single way for reasons already mentioned by OP.
    The ninja also got higher handlebars, shorter gearing, softer suspension and smaller turning radius which all make it a better commuter bike and more beginner friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xorbe View Post
    First I just want to point out that I didn't suggest it was more flickable, just that the Ninja felt more "fun" for some reason. Also I'm not talking about compression/rebound, clearly Triumph is better there. Okay I pondered this for a while, and I think I can answer my own question. Beyond body position, I think the deal is that my Street's handling is so nimble and so eager to lean that it's unnerving to me. The Ninja takes more input to move, and at the urban speeds that I ride at, somehow it translates into a better feel / feedback. If I may re-word it in a second way, the fact that it takes more effort imparts better precision/feel at "low" speeds. I guess I'm more comfortable with the pedestrian machine. =P

    The Street is an amazing bike, but there are little things that I've never adjusted to. Vibes in the left bar, mirror blur for days, sloped seat always shifting my pants and sending me into the gas tank, and it's eager to stall from a stop, and the clutch engagement is far out and grabby. The Ninja is infinitely easier and 100% reliable to blast off from a stop light when lane splitting, N650 never stalls out instead it's hopping the front wheel. The Street is soft in the lower revs, or lofting the front, it's a pita to get just right. It's like death by a 1000 paper cuts. Perhaps too much track dna in the Street. I use the Ninja to commute, but I've been grabbing it for weekend rides too, the Triumph is starting to collect dust.
    I probably see your point now. Put another way, the Ninja is more predictable while the Triumph is, perhaps, skittish. I've grown very accustomed to my Little Red Ninja and enjoy having a bike that handles easily and reliably.

    I've never ridden a Street Triple, but I appreciate that you've started this thread since the Street Triple is on my short list if I ever decide to replace my Ninja650R.
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    Apart from how they distribute their weight the thing that affects how a bike turns the most are rake and trail.

    Triumph Rake, trail
    24.3°, 95.3 mm (3.75 in)

    Ninja
    Trail 2006-2011)106 mm (4.2 in)[8]
    102 mm (4.0 in) (ER-6n)[11] (2012-) 110 mm (4.3 in)[10
    Rake (2006-2011)25°[10]
    24.5° (ER-6n)[11] (2012-) 25

    The Triump has nearly a degree less rake and nearly 15mm less trail and so would be LESS STABLE at speed. Its a hooligans bike.
    The ninja is geared a little more around stability and that may be part of why you feel about them the way you do. Interestingly the er6n has half a degree less rake and less trail. Just exactly how that was achieved with the same frame, forks, swingarm etc is a mystery
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