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    Attacks on riders

    Greetings all.
    I'm new to the forum and riding.

    There has been an increase in gang attacks on motocycle riders my area of London. Most recent one being an attack by a gang on mopeds on a rider a few roads from where I live

    Any advice?

    Thanks
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    First off, stay away from groups of moped riders, keep aware and think about an escape plan when your stopped and/or vulnerable. Try to ride with other riders who will not be afraid to fight back. YOU have the advantages of being bigger and faster, and I assume better riding protection like helmet, armored jacket, gloves than they are probably wearing. Unfortunately your government doesn't allow you to protect yourself from an attack using a firearm like we here in the U.S., so your weapon of choice is somewhat limited to a club, tazer, knife, etc., or some other such weapon for protection.
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    Thanks. It's the element of surprise. Most of them sort of swarm on you out of the blue, going for the engine kill switch. In this evening's paper one of the attacker on pillion tried to spray the rider with fire extinguisher

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    Bear spray, big mag light in a hammer holster, section of heavy gauge copper wire main service cable 2' long hurts like hell, loud air horn, Bowie knife, faster bike........hum.....
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    That's crazy! I was reading stories about that today. Although the writing makes it seem like they struck the motorcyclist with the fire extinguisher, it seems more like they sprayed him with it ?

    Some of the reports were stating the intent was to steal mobile phones and motorcycles, but then I ran across this article stating some of them are just terrorizing the public: Another moped gang terrorise Battersea, London with machetes | Metro News

    They are also throwing around this statistic: "Crime involving mopeds in London increased by over 600 per cent between 2014 and 2016, figures reported by BBC London in December showed."

    It's certainly easy to toss out ways to defend one self, but watching the video, I would've been so stunned by what was going on and how quickly it happened, I couldn't have done anything different.

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    I'd definitely invest in a helmet cam if you don't have one already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearclaw View Post
    Bear spray, big mag light in a hammer holster, section of heavy gauge copper wire main service cable 2' long hurts like hell, loud air horn, Bowie knife, faster bike........hum.....
    Copper wire sounds good. Might get one of those expandable batons

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    That's crazy! I was reading stories about that today. Although the writing makes it seem like they struck the motorcyclist with the fire extinguisher, it seems more like they sprayed him with it ?

    Some of the reports were stating the intent was to steal mobile phones and motorcycles, but then I ran across this article stating some of them are just terrorizing the public: Another moped gang terrorise Battersea, London with machetes | Metro News

    They are also throwing around this statistic: "Crime involving mopeds in London increased by over 600 per cent between 2014 and 2016, figures reported by BBC London in December showed."

    It's certainly easy to toss out ways to defend one self, but watching the video, I would've been so stunned by what was going on and how quickly it happened, I couldn't have done anything different.
    I try to ignore the stats. It's how and where it happened that's bothering me. I know that road, it's right outside a sainsbury carpark off a busy road in Ilford. Happened so quickly

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    Who uses a kill switch anyway. Bypass it.

    Get some road warrior type gear with spikes all over it and paint your bike flat black with that peel off paint.

    In other words, make yourself look meaner than they are. LOL!

    Unless you are just making way too much money where you are, I would consider moving to a safer place and let the hoodlums have the city.

    I'm not sure why citizens aren't protesting for more police protection since citizens over there can't protect themselves.

    Kinda reminds me of highschool where you knew not to walk down certain hallways where the now 50 year old minimum wage workers hung out.

    Personally, I never understood the draw of living in a city, nor riding a motorcycle in a city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheeladdict View Post
    I'm not sure why citizens aren't protesting for more police protection since citizens over there can't protect themselves.
    Seems like the next step is going to be riders taking matters into their own hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carryall View Post
    First off, stay away from groups of moped riders, keep aware and think about an escape plan when your stopped and/or vulnerable. Try to ride with other riders who will not be afraid to fight back. YOU have the advantages of being bigger and faster, and I assume better riding protection like helmet, armored jacket, gloves than they are probably wearing. Unfortunately your government doesn't allow you to protect yourself from an attack using a firearm like we here in the U.S., so your weapon of choice is somewhat limited to a club, tazer, knife, etc., or some other such weapon for protection.
    Sounds like a real life version of the videogame ROAD RASH!!!! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by HilbillyKat View Post
    Sounds like a real life version of the videogame ROAD RASH!!!! LOL
    Haha

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    Always leave yourself an escape route even if it is on the sidewalk! Or move to NC and legally carry any pistol you like with a permit.

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    I have been aware of this as some of our group (Kawasaki ZR7/ ZR7S) are from the U.K and have mentioned this subject. It (the attacks) seem to begin with an unexpected engine kill by a scooter or bicycle rider using the kill switch or by switching off the ignition at the key, then a swarming attack. Like a smash and grab robbery in a jewelry store The kill switch is easily disconnected and can also have a removable guard to cover it. I'd think that changing the wiring to delete the switch would be the most feasible. The second is the keyed ignition switch to a more guarded style. Naked bikes are more exposed with faired bikes being a bit more protected. Maybe one of our community can come up with a way to guard these units. The next is our attitude while riding needs to be more aware and defensive. In my previous life I rode in "sketchy" areas and neighborhoods, and when I did I rode as if I were "flying in hostile skies" filled with threats hiding behind the clouds. Scan for threats, put your instincts on high alert, a stationary target is more easy target than a moving one. On being armed, I don't give a s--t weather the law allows it I often ride with a main "primary" firearm" (my choice is either a compact S&W M&P 9C or a M&P Shield both in 9mm and often a backup. I have been "armed" with a concealed firearms for close to 25 years now, only a couple of it was legal. I never had a concealed firearms license I believe it's my business when how and why I choose to do it and no one elses. I also have a quick to deploy knife, a collapsible baton, pepper/ mace spray, and sometimes even a 16oz. ball peen hammer carried in a slip in holster or in a tank bag. I wear jackets with hard armor in the shoulders, elbows, and back. But your biggest weapon has to be your brain. Area Awareness is the key, we are exposed and in hostile conditions 100% of the time. Maybe having a carabiner that can be semi permanently attached and easily make the keys harder to grab off the bike at a stop. I think this is a subject that deserves further discussion.
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