"Tail Lifter"

tr6mike05 · 10-08-09, 08:31 PM

Anyone ever heard of "Metisse's Tail Lifter" its suppose to raise the rear end of the motorcycle. i'm 6'4 and i trying to make the bike sit higher for me.. anyone have any suggestions.. thanks

http://www.streetfightersinc.com/Z1000Accessories.htm

dippitydoo · 10-09-09, 07:21 AM

I looked at your thread and am assuming the tail lifter lifts the rear suspension either 30mm or 35mm depending on which kit you buy. That is probably a bad idea as you will upset the already agressive front fork angle and make the front less stable than it already is. I have not tried one personally but know that decreasing the front steering geometry to a shorter angle will cause more head shake. I already experience this problem when doing high speed sweepers on the exit of the corner with stock geometry. Your choice of course but if it were me if I did this a steering damper would be on the agenda. Good luck and please keep us posted.

RS117 · 10-09-09, 07:52 AM

I have a DIY tail lift of about 30mm on and LOVE it but that is just the way I ride, I never had any head shake w/ stock size tires( the stock forks are waaaaay under sprung and loved to wallow in the fast sweepers though).
With that said I then added a Qualifier 55 series rear tire and that pushed her over the edge w/ way too much head shake for my liking so I bought a steering dampener that night. The 35mm might be pushing it , not sure but would not hesitate to buy the 25.

Gone Naked · 10-09-09, 01:44 PM

I have lifed the rear of my 06 Z750 by 35mm by using different dog bones.

I did i originally because i thought the bike was slow to turn and wanted a more positive drop in to corners.

I absolutely love it! Had no problems with the front end, i actually feel it`s more planted with better feel. I had the choice of either 35mm or 25mm and thought the 35mm might be a little extreme but i`m glad i went for it.

The dog bones were not expensive to buy so give it a try because if you don`t like the new feel you won`t have wasted much money.

whitebread · 10-10-09, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tr6mike05

Anyone ever heard of "Metisse's Tail Lifter" its suppose to raise the rear end of the motorcycle. i'm 6'4 and i trying to make the bike sit higher for me.. anyone have any suggestions.. thanks

http://www.streetfightersinc.com/Z1000Accessories.htm

If you raise the arse 35mm and do the 636/ZX10 front end swap, you can run the forks flush with the top clamp instead of 30mm up. That way the overall height of the bike will be taller without creating some crazy steering geometry changes! I cant imagine how quick that steering would be with a tail lift like that..

I ran my 636 forks down to 24mm above the top clamp to get it to turn correctly with a 55 series rear tire.

Metisse makes some killer stuff!

Crazi · 10-14-09, 01:42 PM

I think I did the 30mm lift when I had my Z and I loved every minute of it. It transformed the bike into more of a handler instead of a cruiser. Don't forget to adjust your headlights!! LOL

canuckerstone · 10-14-09, 03:11 PM

Also have a 30mm lift on mine, no issues with stability. I have 55 rear tire and a steering damper too.

I also have the 636 forks with .95 springs (slightly stiffer). When I mounted my new forks pre lift, I actually noticed the bike steered slower and felt higher in the front - I did set the 636 forks to be exact same height as stock.

It actually turns out that because the stock forks are so soft, the front of the bike would sit lower with the stockers, especially with braking. Because the 636 forks are more progressive and stiffer, the bike felt weird without the lift kit.

tr6mike05 · 10-14-09, 09:35 PM

thanks guys.. its giving me some thought..

chance.z. · 10-15-09, 09:59 PM

135 for the 25 mm kit????

these better be made out of solid titanium for that price.

anyone with one of these kits care to share some dimensions? Ill go make a set out of a nice steel for 10 bucks.

all I need is which kit you have (25mm or 35mm) and distance from center of hole to center of other hole.

AKSnowman · 10-23-09, 07:12 PM

I would like to see before lift and after lift pictures if anyone can do that?

rich_earth · 10-24-09, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chance.z.

anyone with one of these kits care to share some dimensions? Ill go make a set out of a nice steel for 10 bucks.

Here ya go...

http://www.riderforums.com/showthrea...ht=tail+lifter

chance.z. · 10-24-09, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich_earth

Here ya go...

http://www.riderforums.com/showthrea...ht=tail+lifter

awesome! thanks!

How much did it lift your tail?

rich_earth · 10-24-09, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chance.z.

awesome! thanks!

How much did it lift your tail?

Your welcome....not sure how much the tail was raised but there was a noticable difference

MrAliT · 10-25-09, 11:09 AM

Hi

I've just ordered a raising kit from the guys as I'm in the UK. http://www.lustracing.co.uk/

04 Z750 30mm lift wasn't listed but they answered an email question (do they have them for the 04 plate) on Saturday night so have ordered. I'll let you know how it goes in terms of fitting and changes to the ride if you like? Bit of a delve into the unknown for me but Ive heard such good things about lifting the rear slightly its got to be worth a go!!

Hope to get them this week.

Alistair

MrAliT · 10-29-09, 07:44 AM

Right. The new dogbones arived yesterday and I fitted them last night.

It was a bit of a mission doing it by myself, trying to raise the bike without putting the weight on the swingarm. In the end I did it by using a paddock stand on the cotton reels, then using a trolley jack to lift the centre of the bike whilst TRYING to keep it upright. I then had strops which I'd thrown over the rafters in the garage and under the rear subframe which I tightened to take some of the weight and stop it moving sideways.

I then replaced the dogbones (with a bit of giggling of the swing arm) and got the bike down...phew!

First thing to say is that it doesnt look too diferent. Raising 30mm isnt a huge amount at the end of the day. What you do notice is that 30 mil when you sit on it. I'm not blessed with the longest legs so I'm more on tip toes. Also putting it on the side stand you do see that it is further leant over and at first you get that horrible moment of 'am I going to drop this'!

The change riding it is really where you feel the difference though. Immediately it feels stiffer (if thats possible at the back). I'm going to check that I have full movement of all the linkages just in case butit doent feel bad stiff, just stiffer. Also there is slightly more weight onto the wrists. I'm sure this is something I'll get used to very quickly....its just a slightly different groups of muscles being used.

It feels much better on turn in.......more positive rather than twitchy, and feels more stable in the turn. I always found that there was a bit too much of a neutral feeling or even a balance towards the rear with the standard part but these make a really positive difference to how it feels.

I've added a photo but its taken with a phone in the work carpark so it may not come out very well.

dogbone.jpg

10-08-09, 08:31 PM	#1
tr6mike05 Up-And Comer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East China, Mi Posts: 52	"Tail Lifter" Anyone ever heard of "Metisse's Tail Lifter" its suppose to raise the rear end of the motorcycle. i'm 6'4 and i trying to make the bike sit higher for me.. anyone have any suggestions.. thanks http://www.streetfightersinc.com/Z1000Accessories.htm Last edited by tr6mike05 : 10-14-09 at 09:41 PM.

10-09-09, 07:21 AM	#2
dippitydoo Site Elder Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 908	Tail lifter I looked at your thread and am assuming the tail lifter lifts the rear suspension either 30mm or 35mm depending on which kit you buy. That is probably a bad idea as you will upset the already agressive front fork angle and make the front less stable than it already is. I have not tried one personally but know that decreasing the front steering geometry to a shorter angle will cause more head shake. I already experience this problem when doing high speed sweepers on the exit of the corner with stock geometry. Your choice of course but if it were me if I did this a steering damper would be on the agenda. Good luck and please keep us posted.

10-09-09, 01:44 PM	#4
Gone Naked Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 11	I have lifed the rear of my 06 Z750 by 35mm by using different dog bones. I did i originally because i thought the bike was slow to turn and wanted a more positive drop in to corners. I absolutely love it! Had no problems with the front end, i actually feel it`s more planted with better feel. I had the choice of either 35mm or 25mm and thought the 35mm might be a little extreme but i`m glad i went for it. The dog bones were not expensive to buy so give it a try because if you don`t like the new feel you won`t have wasted much money. __________________ Z750 J6 - Orange Kawasaki Screen Kawasaki Frame Sliders Jack Up Kit 35mm (fantastic mod!) Airbox Mod K&N Filter PC111 USB Scorpion Can Supersprox Rear Sprocket Rim Tape (Orange) Last edited by Gone Naked : 10-11-09 at 01:53 AM.

10-14-09, 01:42 PM	#6
Crazi Rising Star Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge VA Posts: 410	I think I did the 30mm lift when I had my Z and I loved every minute of it. It transformed the bike into more of a handler instead of a cruiser. Don't forget to adjust your headlights!! LOL __________________ 2004 ZX10R SR-71 - Stolen 2005 Z1000 - Traded ALWAYS ride YOUR ride...

10-14-09, 03:11 PM	#7
canuckerstone Site Elder Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 734	Also have a 30mm lift on mine, no issues with stability. I have 55 rear tire and a steering damper too. I also have the 636 forks with .95 springs (slightly stiffer). When I mounted my new forks pre lift, I actually noticed the bike steered slower and felt higher in the front - I did set the 636 forks to be exact same height as stock. It actually turns out that because the stock forks are so soft, the front of the bike would sit lower with the stockers, especially with braking. Because the 636 forks are more progressive and stiffer, the bike felt weird without the lift kit. __________________ 2005 Black Z1000 - nicely modded

10-09-09, 07:52 AM	#3
RS117 Supreme Being Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: vermont Posts: 3,753	I have a DIY tail lift of about 30mm on and LOVE it but that is just the way I ride, I never had any head shake w/ stock size tires( the stock forks are waaaaay under sprung and loved to wallow in the fast sweepers though). With that said I then added a Qualifier 55 series rear tire and that pushed her over the edge w/ way too much head shake for my liking so I bought a steering dampener that night. The 35mm might be pushing it , not sure but would not hesitate to buy the 25.

10-14-09, 09:35 PM	#8
tr6mike05 Up-And Comer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East China, Mi Posts: 52	thanks guys.. its giving me some thought..

10-15-09, 09:59 PM	#9
chance.z. Site Elder Join Date: May 2009 Location: Acworth, Ga Posts: 787	135 for the 25 mm kit???? these better be made out of solid titanium for that price. anyone with one of these kits care to share some dimensions? Ill go make a set out of a nice steel for 10 bucks. all I need is which kit you have (25mm or 35mm) and distance from center of hole to center of other hole. __________________ '03 Z1000 Fun Stuff: PC3 with custom map, Full Leo Vince 4 into 1, 2005 ZX6R suspension and front brakes, HyperPro RSC dampener, HEL Stainless Lines, BMC Air Filter and the Airbox Mod, and a radar detector. Eye Candy: pazzo levers, motovation case sliders, integrated tail light, fender eliminator and bits and pieces blacked out.

10-23-09, 07:12 PM	#10
AKSnowman Rising Star Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rotary Hell, MA Posts: 435	I would like to see before lift and after lift pictures if anyone can do that?

10-25-09, 11:09 AM	#14
MrAliT Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southampton, Hampshire, UK Posts: 9	Hi I've just ordered a raising kit from the guys as I'm in the UK. http://www.lustracing.co.uk/ 04 Z750 30mm lift wasn't listed but they answered an email question (do they have them for the 04 plate) on Saturday night so have ordered. I'll let you know how it goes in terms of fitting and changes to the ride if you like? Bit of a delve into the unknown for me but Ive heard such good things about lifting the rear slightly its got to be worth a go!! Hope to get them this week. Alistair

10-29-09, 07:44 AM	#15
MrAliT Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southampton, Hampshire, UK Posts: 9	Right. The new dogbones arived yesterday and I fitted them last night. It was a bit of a mission doing it by myself, trying to raise the bike without putting the weight on the swingarm. In the end I did it by using a paddock stand on the cotton reels, then using a trolley jack to lift the centre of the bike whilst TRYING to keep it upright. I then had strops which I'd thrown over the rafters in the garage and under the rear subframe which I tightened to take some of the weight and stop it moving sideways. I then replaced the dogbones (with a bit of giggling of the swing arm) and got the bike down...phew! First thing to say is that it doesnt look too diferent. Raising 30mm isnt a huge amount at the end of the day. What you do notice is that 30 mil when you sit on it. I'm not blessed with the longest legs so I'm more on tip toes. Also putting it on the side stand you do see that it is further leant over and at first you get that horrible moment of 'am I going to drop this'! The change riding it is really where you feel the difference though. Immediately it feels stiffer (if thats possible at the back). I'm going to check that I have full movement of all the linkages just in case butit doent feel bad stiff, just stiffer. Also there is slightly more weight onto the wrists. I'm sure this is something I'll get used to very quickly....its just a slightly different groups of muscles being used. It feels much better on turn in.......more positive rather than twitchy, and feels more stable in the turn. I always found that there was a bit too much of a neutral feeling or even a balance towards the rear with the standard part but these make a really positive difference to how it feels. I've added a photo but its taken with a phone in the work carpark so it may not come out very well. dogbone.jpg

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