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2012/2013 650 PCV Autotune target AFR tables for each gear

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    2012/2013 650 PCV Autotune target AFR tables for each gear

    I dont have access to a dyno atm, so i was wondering if anyone would be great enough tp share their target AFR tables set up for per gear so i can get a better idea of how to set mine up??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisfss View Post
    I dont have access to a dyno atm, so i was wondering if anyone would be great enough tp share their target AFR tables set up for per gear so i can get a better idea of how to set mine up??
    Afr 12.8-13.2 is power.You can set up your 5,10 and 15% throttle to 14 afr for mpg, cruising light throttle. I made my map lean under 20% throttle for mpg.Power is a twist and go.

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    and use the same afr table on a map that is gear advancd? ie the auto tune will trim each gear separately from the others?

    also these are the inputs given to me by dynojet for manual gear calibration, but when i hit align, some of them change. are they similar to what anyone else has??

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    these are what dynojet gave

    1st gear = 254.938-230.659
    2nd gear = 166.324-150.483
    3rd gear = 128.522-116.281
    4th gear = 107.860-97.587
    5th gear = 93.507-84.602
    6th gear = 81.925-74.122

    these are what PCV aligns them to..

    gear.JPG

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    Don't have a pc5.Have an '08 PC3. What does gear ratios have to do with afr? Timing could be different for different gears. Afr is rpm vs throttle opening %. Values are % up or down from stock. Don't have the autotune. Wasn't an option on the PC3. I got the O2 wideband sensor and hooked it up to the LCD. This allowed actual afr readings while riding with logging for later review. Work with the fuel tables to set afr and mixture. Don't know what the gear tables refer to.Never had to mess with that. On my Triumph the ecu has timing differences for gears but the fuel values don't change.

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    you can have a separate afr map for each gear... wider options for performance/economy target ratios

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    I couldn't decide on how to answer this at first, so I'll just tell you how I intend to set mine up when I install it. For 1st and 2nd gear I will use a performance AFR recommended by Dynojet for all rpm's. For 3rd and 4th gear I will use the fuel economy settings for rpm's below 5k and performance settings above 5k. For 5th and 6th gear I will use fuel economy settings for all rpm's. This is how I will do it based on my riding style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarktheShark View Post
    I couldn't decide on how to answer this at first, so I'll just tell you how I intend to set mine up when I install it. For 1st and 2nd gear I will use a performance AFR recommended by Dynojet for all rpm's. For 3rd and 4th gear I will use the fuel economy settings for rpm's below 5k and performance settings above 5k. For 5th and 6th gear I will use fuel economy settings for all rpm's. This is how I will do it based on my riding style.
    Would suggest using throttle % not rpm's for afr changes. What rpm is 70-80 mph constant cruise and what throttle %? I noticed about 15% throttle at those speeds. Revving in the power band at lean afr is not a good idea. You want power at full throttle if you need it. Simple light throttle gives mpg. I get 55 mpg on a run all the time. Yet full power is available by twisting the wrist. Lean at wot at high revs gives you spare parts like melted pistons for your collection.

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    Dude did you read and understand my post? First I said for my riding style! Second the auto tune manual gives you performance and fuel mileage recommended AFR settings. Third I have been riding Ninja 650's sense 07 and have gone full throttle in 5th and 6th gear maybe twice in all those years because I know how to downshift to stay in the power band instead of just twisting the throttle and having to wait for it to get back in the power band. The OP asked for each gear so that's how I answered the question! Here is a good idea get a PCV and an Autotune so you can figure it out to give the OP a better answer. I also see you mention timing changes in an earlier post, timing changes are made with throttle % columns and rpm rows in the PCV software.
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    I didn't intend on sounding harsh it just kinda came out that way.
    This is the info I was thinking of, taken from the manual, "If fuel mileage is a concern then you can alter the Target AFR values in the cruise range. Dynojet considers the cruise range to be around 5-20% throttle. Dynojet does not recommend making the bike any leaner than 14.7 in the Target AFR cells.
    •. Dynojet has found that for the best compromise of fuel mileage and throttle . response to set the cruise range to 13.7-14.0.•. For all other ranges 12.8-13.4 seems to work best." so it sounds to me as long as you stay below 14.7 you won't be "burning exhaust valves and melting pistons".
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    Dynojets recommendation for afr is good. Its what I use. Get a pc5 if you want tp play with timing. Otherwise go make your own maps.I have 5 coveering differences in temp 40-90 degrees because the afr changes 1 afr every 20 degrees F drop in temp. Observed and logged using a wideband O2 sensor while riding at speed. Trying to give some advise and your getting pissy about your riding style. Whatever.

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    I was going to apologize for being "pissy", but I was really just defending myself from a false accusation of providing information that would "melt the pistons" of the OP's engine.
    I have had a PCV for a year and a half now and I do mees with the timing and maps using the software.
    So your right....Whatever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarktheShark View Post
    I was going to apologize for being "pissy", but I was really just defending myself from a false accusation of providing information that would "melt the pistons" of the OP's engine.
    I have had a PCV for a year and a half now and I do mees with the timing and maps using the software.
    So your right....Whatever!
    Didn't say your advise is bad. Street riding and track riding are different. You can get away with a lot on the street but not under heavy sustained load in the power band. Difference between 13 and 14.7 afr is a lot. If the OP wants to test it out go ahead. Heat build up can
    do a lot.Its not recommended.Go from there.

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    hahah we were KINDA getting closer to an answer.......

    ill be a little more specific. I am still learning as I go with the pcv & auto tune and creating my own target afr maps...
    I've created 1 afr map dialled which is used on all six gears - like the stocko ones you download from dj - and I have a custom target afr map for that..

    I was asking for suggestions/opinions/personal preferences for individual target afr maps PER gear.. so 6 auto tune target maps (one for each gear) and 6 corresponding afr maps which the trims are applied to..

    im trying to get a broader understanding of how others have set up their afr tables per gear to accommodate for performance ranges and cruising ranges throughout all 6 gears...

    why? cause Im a ****ing noob to afr mapping, and there are many of you with more experience than me... don't give a **** who's right or wrong, who's map has the bigger **** ect - I want as many different views and opinions and suggestions, cause at the end of the day im going to be the one who ****s my engine by doing it wrong so I'll only have myself to blame

    of course ive spent hours researching and reading the ****ty amount of info dyno jet provides, and countless hours of unauthorised uni journal database research time, so I understand all the basics and a lot more..

    I want to hear how YOU guys run your maps.


    and of course my map is going to have the biggest **** on this thread... im an aussie.


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    Uughhh.

    **** censorship!

    It ruins my day.

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