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    PCIII / Techlusion TFI / Cobra fi2000 - which one??

    Hi guys,
    I am planning to do exhaust, intake and fuel processor.

    PCIII is more $$$, but what about the others? Are they programmable like the PCIII?

    Thanks for any advice, I don't know much when it comes to FI computers/fuel processors. Infact I know nothing.

    Cheers, Aussie.

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    The PCIII is the only one that is programmable. That being said, all of them are perfectly capable of handling your fuel needs. If you want to maximize the adjustability and don't mind having your bike dyno'ed to get the right fuel curve, get the PCIII. If you want a more affordable and easy to use fuel processor that will do what you need it to do with a little less precision, then get one of the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamStreak View Post
    The PCIII is the only one that is programmable. That being said, all of them are perfectly capable of handling your fuel needs. If you want to maximize the adjustability and don't mind having your bike dyno'ed to get the right fuel curve, get the PCIII. If you want a more affordable and easy to use fuel processor that will do what you need it to do with a little less precision, then get one of the others.
    If I go with one of the others, does that mean I can't get the bike dynoed? or that I won't need to get it dynoed?

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    You could still have the bike dyno'd, though that would negate a bit of the economy of going with a Techlusion or the like. If you've ever jetted a carb and are comfortable with that type of work go with a Dobeck TFI. If you're looking to squeeze every possible drop of power out of your current setup, drop a bit more coin and get the PCIII. In the end, the differences between the two setups will be so subtle you'll NEED a dyno to bring them to light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zootech View Post
    You could still have the bike dyno'd, though that would negate a bit of the economy of going with a Techlusion or the like. If you've ever jetted a carb and are comfortable with that type of work go with a Dobeck TFI. If you're looking to squeeze every possible drop of power out of your current setup, drop a bit more coin and get the PCIII. In the end, the differences between the two setups will be so subtle you'll NEED a dyno to bring them to light.
    Thanks Zootech, so if I get the Dobeck TFI, how do I "tune" it so that it is giving the right amount of fuel at the right time? ie how does it actually do its job if it is not "programmed"? (sorry if this is a stupid question)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussievulcan View Post
    Thanks Zootech, so if I get the Dobeck TFI, how do I "tune" it so that it is giving the right amount of fuel at the right time? ie how does it actually do its job if it is not "programmed"? (sorry if this is a stupid question)...
    gday mate the tfi is a fuel adding machine whereas the pc111 will also take fuel when needed. i agree completely with zootech the result differences tween the two are only brought to light by dyno. so going back to the tfi being a fuel adder it is an extremely easy peice of kit to install and tune. it has four little dials(pots) and going from left to right it goes like this 1st=idle speed 2nd=fuel for acceleration 3rd= main jet(best to think of it as a carby tune) 4th point at which the tfi will hand back to the ecu. now the 1st and last pots are simple, adjust pot till your idling on 1000 rpm dont go for the potato potato it's not good for your bike. the last pot just stick it on 9o'clock and forget it thats where it's supposed to be. now we get to the second and third pots these you will get a million different settings opinions on ranging from high to low. just set them on 2.5 each then go for a long ride stopping intermittently slightly adjusting up and down untill you are happy with the feel. i agree with what someone said about this (i think it was pokenhood) that it is better to err on the rich side than the lean. i was a little on the lean side and was lacking a bit of punch and making a lot of noise. It is a good bit of kit and after my slight adjustments pre ride today i like it even more.
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    Go with the best...
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    Fuel processor

    Sorry...problem with my keyboard, I mean go with the best: PCIII

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    PCIII/FI2000/TFI

    I've owned all three with the TFI being on my old 1500 Classic FI and the FI2000/PCIII on my Mean Streak. I have the PCIII on now and wouldn't go back to a TFI/FI2000. Even a generic map from Power Commander that matches your intake (exhaust matters less in tuning) will get you closer to ideal than a TFI/FI2000. For every positive adjustment you turn the pot on the TFI/FI2000, you are richening the fuel across that whole rpm spectrum whether it needs it or not. Between the TFI/FI2000 I'd go with the TFI. They are pretty universal and it will be easier to sell if you ever decide to go with a PCIII...
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    Quote Originally Posted by troop View Post
    For every positive adjustment you turn the pot on the TFI/FI2000, you are richening the fuel across that whole rpm spectrum whether it needs it or not
    Same as carbs have done for decades, and they did a pretty good job. The TFI is for folks who don't want a USB connection on their bike to make adjustments. My bike runs extremely well with the Dobeck installed and I have no reason to go with anything else. In the end, it's a pro's and con's situation and everyone has to weigh them for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zootech View Post
    You could still have the bike dyno'd, though that would negate a bit of the economy of going with a Techlusion or the like. If you've ever jetted a carb and are comfortable with that type of work go with a Dobeck TFI. If you're looking to squeeze every possible drop of power out of your current setup, drop a bit more coin and get the PCIII. In the end, the differences between the two setups will be so subtle you'll NEED a dyno to bring them to light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zootech View Post
    The TFI is for folks who don't want a USB connection on their bike to make adjustments.
    Mine actually has 3 buttons you can use to make adjustments without attaching the unit to a computer. I haven't used these, so I don't know how well they work or how much adjustment they can make, but it is there.
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    You might want to check the laws in your area. I know for 2008, several states will not allow aftermarket fuel controls or exhausts.

    The big benefit to the PCIII is, it's the only device that can lean out the mixture. Plus they now have an EX model that is street legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zootech View Post
    Same as carbs have done for decades, and they did a pretty good job. The TFI is for folks who don't want a USB connection on their bike to make adjustments. My bike runs extremely well with the Dobeck installed and I have no reason to go with anything else. In the end, it's a pro's and con's situation and everyone has to weigh them for themselves.
    True True... Well carb'd bikes have, and continue, to run very well. But a major point of fuel injection is the precise metering it allows (and its ability to better meet EPA restrictions). The PCIII simply allows the ability of more precise fuel metering. And like I did state, a generic map will take fuel out of rich areas while adding fuel to the lean areas. The 9v battery connection will allow a map to be loaded w/out a laptop before install if no laptop is convenient. And as Dreamstreak noted, the PCIII does have three exterior buttons to adjust the fuel mixture w/out a computer. Heck, www.fuelmotousa.com will load a very close map for you with the purchase of a PCIII thru him at a very decent price. One big advantage I did gain with my PCIII over my FI2000 was an increase of approx 4-5mpg with normal riding. Subtracting 15-20% fuel in many areas of the cruise range will aid in mpg. But like yours, my Classic FI ran very well with the TFI attached but my MS is MUCH better with the PCIII vs. the FI2000 I removed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DZSV&MS View Post
    You might want to check the laws in your area. I know for 2008, several states will not allow aftermarket fuel controls or exhausts.
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    who cares! they will make a law soon saying we can only leave the house to go to a mall or go to work. they can stick their stupid laws.
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