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2012 Roll Out: Why I bought a Ninja 650 R

This is a discussion on 2012 Roll Out: Why I bought a Ninja 650 R within the General Ninja 650R forums, part of the Kawasaki Ninja 650R category; Originally Posted by cyclesarge Compared to what? I'm starting to see a commonality among those that think "it's not too bad". haha I guess I'm ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclesarge View Post
    Compared to what? I'm starting to see a commonality among those that think "it's not too bad". haha
    I guess I'm just confused why people bought a mid range sport bike because it was cheap but complain it doesn't ride like a Goldwing!
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    I bought this bike because when I was looking, it was the best deal. Is the best at everything? No, but I think it does everything well enough. I take mine on long cruises, ride two-up and take it to the track. I can also save up money due to the cost and make it my own. Hitting bumps on the track is a little unnerving but once I get my suspension upgrades, it should be everything I need and want it to be. Since I do not have experience with really nice suspensions, it should feel pretty damn good to me and I will hopefully have some lap times to prove it. When all is said and done, I will still be under $8K into a bike I have had since new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarktheShark View Post
    I guess I'm just confused why people bought a mid range sport bike because it was cheap but complain it doesn't ride like a Goldwing!
    The point of a properly set up SPORT BIKE is all about control. Just about every aspect of your performance is hindered by a suspension that's pogo-ing out of control, from cornering, to braking to acceleration. In a perfect world, a bike wouldn't need a suspension at all, the road surfaces would all be glass smooth, only with crazy traction. There wouldn't be potholes, bumps, dips, expansion joints, ruts, poorly repaired, holes, etc.,etc.,etc. In the REAL world, these thing DO exist and are always poised to unsettle your bike mid corner, while accelerating, or while braking. A good suspension takes a lot of the drama out of these things and lets you corner harder, accelerate harder and brake harder all while riding safer.
    Do you really think the point of the Ohlins suspension on a Ducati superbike is to make it ride like a Goldwing?

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    BTW, I realize one shouldn't expect an Ohlins superbike suspension at a Ninja 650 price, but that doesn't mean the Ninja 650's suspension doesn't suck either.

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    Mark,

    Who writes that material of yours???? The hits kept coming!!! hahahahahahahaha
    Or maybe I should just come back home to New York and enjoy my childhood memories and life again.....

    To answer your questions (hopefully in order) 1. Nope, and I'm keeping the stock turns for more visibility...."see and be seen"
    2. "THE" One? So many to choose from, Just can't seem to focus on one.
    3. YEs, I have decided to refrain and just post Part 1 of 3 probably tomorrow.
    4. I can't "do it" anymore..... It's where I want it to be.....I think! Damn you!
    5. Nobody buys tools the service manual recommends do they? Maybe I'm being na´ve here as I typically lend race shops my specialty tools and when I need something I don't have like a Cylinder hone machine, I borrow theirs.......Oh, now I see your true intentions, How can we start a Thread encouraging riders to join forces and have some type of ride in for common everyday mods and tuning? I guess I'm amenable to that idea : ).To Answer your request more definitively, no special tools on the suspension mod...... Math and Science my friend.
    6. I did borrow a neighbors come-along to suspend the bike from my garage ceiling!

    Lastly, the info I just received from Kawasaki today, and info from Race Tech on the NDT of our springs was pretty close to my estimation ! Not as bad as a 2010 Ducati 848 I did for a friend last year........way mis-matched. I hope you and the members will enjoy, absorb and extrapolate!

    Cheers.......Oh one last thing, how big can this thread be? Can I have 12 pages from Microsoft Office, Word Including pictures Illustrations and Diagrams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayu View Post
    I'm interested in hearing about your discussions with Kawasaki on a practical suspension upgrade/mod too. I have put in just under $1k for suspension upgrades to my 650R so I'm looking forward to your post.
    Ayu,

    The discussion was one way for about 3 weeks. Since these bikes utilize the unserviceable and disposal shocks, and are built buy Showa or KYB (they're still not sure about which one it is) they did not have the info about the Spring Rate in the states.

    Race Tech was more than eager to have my old fork and shock springs for testing and thanked me profusely.

    I'm looking at your stats and see a Penske......Nice Choice, but I see you opted for the (Race Tech) valves as opposed to experimenting with the progressive springs and oil weights? IT IS I WHO IS INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR TALE, MY FRIEND.

    Finally I see you also installed a lowering kit? hmmmmm The Penske and the front springs were changed which would have dropped your rider sag over an inch 35-45mm So you may be vertically challenged?....... or am I presuming too much? We both have about 5 inches of travel to play with front and rear....So, If you dropped the rear via links you did logically drop the front an equal amount?

    Yes, I'm excited to talk to you! Quite the mod on our old style MONO SHOCK SWING ARM WITH NO LINKAGE.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradmeister View Post

    I'm looking at your stats and see a Penske......Nice Choice, but I see you opted for the (Race Tech) valves as opposed to experimenting with the progressive springs and oil weights?
    Yes, I had initially thought about going progressive spring rate in the front but decided to go with a new linear spring rate and used the racetech valves due to cost at the time. I have plans to upgrade the fronts to cartridges and a member on this board does custom work on fitting stock 650R tubes with cartridges.

    Finally I see you also installed a lowering kit? The Penske and the front springs were changed which would have dropped your rider sag over an inch 35-45mm So you may be vertically challenged?
    I am indeed vertically challenged at 5'5" with a 28" inseam. I was on tip toes in the original stock configuration. Soupy Performance LLC installed a lowering link and adjustable kickstand onto my bike as courtesy for using it as their lowering link prototype fitment bike for the 09 650R. I purchased a used Penske 8983 double clicker off Craigslist in 2012 for $700 from a guy in Gurnee, IL. The Penske shock was slightly shorter in length to the 650R stock shock unit but also allowed me to adjust rider height. I took off the Soupy Performance lowering link (and should do the same for my signature tag). I dropped the rear about 25mm and lowered the front down 22mm to maintain geometry (or as close to stock as possible).

    My observation is that the upgraded rear shock, and new front linear spring rate with RaceTech valves makes for a much better and more comfortable ride. The valves ran $160, preload caps at $80, and the used Penske rear shock at $700. For just under $1k I am thoroughly content with the ride comfort of my 650R.
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