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This is a discussion on California Senate Bill 435 within the Daily Ride forums, part of the General Forums category; Originally Posted by JustAJ What exactly are FCC headlights? And do you mean annoying like people dropping HID lights into sockets not designed for them? ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAJ View Post
    What exactly are FCC headlights? And do you mean annoying like people dropping HID lights into sockets not designed for them?
    I think he ment D.O.T.
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    Well, I see that the Govenator has signed SB 435. That's a shame for future bike owners here in California. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...oise-bill.html
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    My favorite part:

    SB 435 requires motorcycles to maintain their federally required emissions equipment on both original and aftermarket exhaust systems, including a readily visible EPA stamp that certifies compliance.
    So under that standard, that could mean no undertail exhausts, and no under bike exhausts. Everything has to be out in the open, where it can be read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAJ View Post
    My favorite part:



    So under that standard, that could mean no under tail exhausts, and no under bike exhausts. Everything has to be out in the open, where it can be read.
    Worse than that. ANY aftermarket exhaust will be illegal. Even if it meets all the EPA requirements including volume it's illegal. It's a bad law because it discriminates against motorcycles. All other vehicles will still be treated as they are now. Even though they may be running illegal exhaust they won't be held to the same standards.
    If you are interested in how the federal laws read, here is a link that will help to clarity what the laws really say.

    http://www.aimag.com/epa/owners.htm
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    Arrow California has new statewide law governing motorcycle sound level...

    Well, I guess we knew it was coming...

    http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ry.asp?id=2279

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    meh.

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    Let me know if anybody needs an out of state address to use for registration. Of course you'd have to physically bring the bike here, but if it's that important to you, I'd be glad to help.

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    I am convinced that CA is the test bed for all things socialist in this country. Glad to see it is a failed state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uechi kid View Post
    Worse than that. ANY aftermarket exhaust will be illegal. Even if it meets all the EPA requirements including volume it's illegal. It's a bad law because it discriminates against motorcycles. All other vehicles will still be treated as they are now. Even though they may be running illegal exhaust they won't be held to the same standards.
    If you are interested in how the federal laws read, here is a link that will help to clarity what the laws really say.

    http://www.aimag.com/epa/owners.htm
    Actually, since none of the aftermarket exhausts have an EPA stamp, they already are illegal. If an A/M pipe meets the EPA standards, then the maker should send it to them for testing and approval.

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    Stolen almost verbatim from the NY law:

    This bill would make it a crime for a person to park, use, or operate a motorcycle,
    So they can get you even when it's parked.


    And yes, Kalifornia is the testing environment for some seriously jacked up laws. Note how the CALIFORNIA Air Resources Board changed their name to the AIR Resources Board? My guess is they want to spread to the other 57 states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uechi kid View Post
    Worse than that. ANY aftermarket exhaust will be illegal. Even if it meets all the EPA requirements including volume it's illegal. It's a bad law because it discriminates against motorcycles. All other vehicles will still be treated as they are now. Even though they may be running illegal exhaust they won't be held to the same standards.
    If you are interested in how the federal laws read, here is a link that will help to clarity what the laws really say.

    http://www.aimag.com/epa/owners.htm
    Show me one aftermarket exhaust that has a catalytic converter in them. Every pipe is already illegal based upon federal emissions standards and thats why none of them will ever get the stamp. It's just been ignored. Noise is just a different discriminator.

    The aftermarket will need to come out with high flow performance catalytic converters similar to cars. I'm guessing it'll add a couple hundred bucks to pipes between the converter and companies now needing to seek approval for every pipe. It'll also reduce our selection since companies won't want to get numerous approvals which cost a lot of time and money. Everyone will start moving towards slip-ons.

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    Harley's already making legal, stamped, approved, replacement slip-ons. They saw the handwriting on the wall. You can thank the boys who think their loud pipes are cool for this. This type law is already on the books in Denver, Co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobby View Post
    Harley's already making legal, stamped, approved, replacement slip-ons. They saw the handwriting on the wall. You can thank the boys who think their loud pipes are cool for this. This type law is already on the books in Denver, Co.
    I have many friends with replacement slip-ons from Harley that were told by the Harley dealer that they are "legal". I have yet to see any of those that the Db levels are under 83 db. Over 83 db, not legal.
    Again, for me it all comes down to the fact that we already have laws that deal with this. Did we need to spend the time and money to put another law on the books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uechi kid View Post
    I have many friends with replacement slip-ons from Harley that were told by the Harley dealer that they are "legal". I have yet to see any of those that the Db levels are under 83 db. Over 83 db, not legal.
    Again, for me it all comes down to the fact that we already have laws that deal with this. Did we need to spend the time and money to put another law on the books?
    If they have the certification stamp they're legal. Doesn't matter what your opinion is.

    Running loud pipes? You've done your fair share to put this law on the books.

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