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    No speedometer legal?

    Just an open question, does anyone know if it is explicitly illegal to ride a bike in CA without a speedometer?

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    Considering you would be putting miles on the bike without an odometer I have a feeling that would be frowned upon.

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    true, and it's not like I plan on speeding, I just keep up with the traffic around me. I just don't want to get pulled over for not having a speedo if its illegal

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    I don't know that the law specifically says you have to have a speeodometer or an odometer. When you sell a vehicle you can sign the disclaimer part stating basically that the mileage is unknown or that the odometer is not working.
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    Here's the California Vehicle Code:

    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm

    And here's the part specific to the odometer:

    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd12c5a10.htm

    The way it all reads to me is it really only matters if you're trying to sell the vehicle and attempting to defraud someone by stating that it actually has fewer miles than what's on the odometer. So if you took the speedo off with an odometer reading of 500 miles, rode the bike for a year, put the speedo back on to sell the bike and told the buyer that it actually only has 500 miles on it. Then it becomes an issue.

    I didn't see anywhere specifically stating that it has to have a speedometer.
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    If it's a Japanese or European
    Hmmmm, I'm pretty sure that it's built to US specs since the US is neither in Japan or Europe but actually in a portion of the "North America Continent" which, if you look on a globe has nothing to do with Japan or Europe....and where did Harley-Davidson come into this equation? The question, and I'll quote it for you, is
    ... does anyone know if it is explicitly illegal to ride a bike in CA without a speedometer?
    . And to answer that I posted the link to the California Vehicle code. California is a state within the "United States" (US) situated on the western edge of the "United States of America", north of Mexico, west of Nevada and Arizona and south of Oregon. The California Vehicle Code is not specific to any manufaturer what-so-ever and, like the other states, have "vehicle codes" which are independent of the Federal Vehicle Standards. If you would like me to point out a specific difference, the California Air Resources Board has set the emission standards for the state higher than the rest of the "US", thus the "California Spec" model vehicles are built by their respective manufacturers to that spec. all the while building a similar vehicle for the other 49 states.
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    Yeah but you won't know how fast you are going if you have no other traffic to judge by. Plus if you get pulled over for speeding and the cop sees you have no speedo, that's a pretty hard argument to win against the cop. This is kind of like vehicle inspection, I doubt someone is going to see you ride by and see your sticker is expired, but they can get you on it if they already have you pulled over.
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    very true. I'll just have to do my best to keep it under until I can get a solution to the problem.

    Thanks for the link Martin! That ones goin in the bookmarks for sure!

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    Thumbs up Bike Computer...

    Coco, I've not done the search, but, I know that there are a thread or two about using Bike (Bicycle) computers with great success.

    Magnet sender on the wheel, sensor on the fork. Small wires and small readout. Folks said that they were programmable for different tire sizes.... and that they worked just fine.

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    First off I think Matin's comments are great! Second-Williamr, we are not talking about what a OEM has to do to get a vehicle legal in this counrty-the question is can he remove the speedo and still be leagal? It's like this-It's not illegal to have loud exhaust on your bike here in Ohio, but the OEM can not send it here and sell it with a loud exhaust. It's like a catch 22 or a split law so to speak.
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    I have no idea about the international homulgation regs, even after trying to verse myself in them. Most of the articles I read were people moving from one country to another and getting their vehicle up to the new countries standards for inspection and registration, of course the easiest way to accomplish that is maintaining OEM specs.

    I can tell you this though, no one will write you a ticket for breaking homulgation regs over here. If you brought this bike from say Germany due to military or something, then maybe, when you tried to register it, would you run into problems. That's how I read it. Not sure about Cali, as far as inspections go, Martin or yourself will know more about those over there on whether or not they are mandatory, or if they even get inspected outside of the emissions.

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    William, if you don't know, then don't answer. Again, just because there's a "Reply" button, it isn't mandatory that you do so. Nobody cares about what equipment is needed in any country of origin nor does lack of mention of any piece of stock equipment in a vehicle code mean that it is a mandatory piece just because if came stock. If that were true then a person would have to replace the "warning" decals on the gas tank if the bike were repainted and the police would write tickets for people who'd lost the valve stem caps off their 250's. This is a specific question to a specific place and it's not the "National Republic Of Rob".
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    Essentially. if it's an imported bike and the CA code doesn't mention speedos at all, then it's illegal to run without one. If the CA code explicitly says that a speedo isn't needed, then it's fine.
    That's not how vehicle codes work here. Absense of information about an item doesn't not mean it's mandatory to have it. Motorcycles come with side facing reflectors. They are not a required item on a motorcycle. It is not illegal to remove the side facing reflectors. Street legal motorcycles come with 2 mirrors. By code, you only need the left mirror. You won't get a ticket for removing the right mirror.
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    Personally, I find it amusing that a Brit living in England is lecturing an American in California about state vehicle codes.

    Williamr,
    I may not live in California, but I suspect their state/county LEOs are similiar to mine, and that they don't give a rat's a$$ about country of origin manufactor regs or trans-national agreements, as long as the bike/car in question meets the state regs.
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    I ran with out one for some time, but yeah its not legal.... but I like the looks of nothing but bars and road !

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