hi guys, so i don't have a bike for 2 weeks now as you know as the title says.. before everything else, i just want to sum up what i talked to Ivan about
so there is only 1 flash for the bike..
either you use stock/slip-on exhaust or a full exhaust; it's that good!!
so basically everything is done in the ecu..
as what he posted on his website, "fuel controller is optional"
so whatever elevation you may have, its fine, fixed the lean/rich spots areas, its like buying the bike from the dealership that is better than stock (to simplify it)
so if you want to make the most out of it, get the fuel controllers, PCFC (17-055) / PCV, and get it tuned right on your area, and tuned to your atmosphere/elevation..
he also has the fuel controllers available.. and has the tune for the full exhaust in it..
so in my case, i am just going to get my ecu flash and get it tuned closeby as i am at 3,000ft ASL
Ivan said:
Hi Ken,
The 4th Gen flash is finally ready.... Runs fantastic and smooth as silk.
My Z got 42mpg which included some spirited riding as well as some nice cornering.
Commuting will likely be better.
I have 2 offerings. (same as the Gen 3 bike)
I won’t have dyno charts until the fall because the weather conditions were much more favorable for the base runs, and it won’t properly show the true gains until the temps and humidity drop into similar conditions.
As soon as I get them done, I'll add them to my website.
The results will be similar to the Gen 3 bike, although the peak # will be slightly less due to the smaller intake cam.
1) Stock exhaust and slip-ons
No fuel controller needed This setup is 99%...
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2) Full Exhaust
The tune is 95% for this setup.
Most people will be very happy with this alone.
The tune will be only slightly off in some areas.
(fuel corrections are less than 5% in certain areas, and cannot be felt by seat of the pants)
For the more particular people that want it to be the best that it can be, I suggest they take a PCFC from me so that it is an adjustable system and the owner gets all the maps that I made for it.
(airbox mod, and stock airbox for full exhaust)....
With this setup the tune is 99%
Also, as time goes on, I can update the tune (if needed) so that it can be e-mailed to everyone instead of pulling and shipping.
If desired, they can custom tune and can also keep the maps that I made on the unit.
(PCFC holds 10 maps)
I have the PCFC's in stock already programmed and ready to go.
This still remains the best way to deal with more modifications than just a pair of slip-ons due to the fact that different exhaust designs cause the tune to change at moderate and larger throttle openings.
I can program for USA, Canada & Europe for now…. (Z1000SX / Ninja 1000)
USA and Canada for the Z1000
(Europe and AU will be available soon)
lol, i love doing that kind of mod.. just provide me with everything.. you decide if its worth paying labor :bud:
on a side note;
basically, they made the new cams for the 4th gen so that it wont make power anymore past 11,500
while the 3rd gen still making power even passed that..
stock vs stock 4th gen is better by a little within 3-6k RPM.. but once 3rd gen modded , its a different story..
3rd gen had more gains overall... but of course it needed more R&D plus PCV to actually make the best out of it.. he described it as "mess"
this time 4th gen is better with tuning.. just ecu and your fine.. i owned a 2010 and i also missed that beast of a bike..
ivan mentioned to me on the phone that he had no chicken strips left on the Z1000.. and its his first z1000 since 2003
he did not want to do air box mod on the new z1000 as he said that he did not want the intake growl more pronounced as it already is lol..
no gains on mid range just up top 2hp
When he says better, hes looking at overall monitoring of the "system" and things like how the secondaries are opened and closed.The better part would mean a smarter ecu on the newer bikes. You guys will be in for a real treat.
Figure 1 week including post each way for the US. Your ecu fits in the $5 priority mail flat rate box that gets it there in 2 days (the day you mail it doesn't count, so if you mail it Monday, it should arrive on Wednesday). If it's back in the mail Thursday, you'll have it Saturday. The ecu only takes a few minutes to remove and install.
Adding $1000 of insurance on the package adds about $15 to the postage fee for domestic mail
If my bike is bone stock and I do the reflash, do I need to do the block off plates? I know someone asked that, but wasn't sure based on their set up. I have zero performance mods and plan on not doing any. The main reason I want the deflash is the ability to coast without the heavy engine braking. I can't stand that on this bike. The rest I love just the way it is.
Another question, does this impact the power setting options? Can I still use the reduced power settings in the rain? I assume ABS levels are not impacted. But is traction control and power modes?
just call ivan for that to clrarify.. i have a z1000 so i did not ask about that.. Ivan's Performance Products
its no harm to ask.. but if its not mentioned on his website then i assume its same as before?
I had 1 in the 2010 z.. the 2015 not yet.. but i was really happy with the ecu with just stock exhaust.. i dont even have to wait.. it doesnt damage anything.. it improves..
The block off plates simply "clean up" the engine compartment. You can achieve the exact same effect by simply plugging the reed valve supply hose (from the airbox) with a wire nut, marble, ect to eliminate the decel popping(it's not going to suck it into the engine or anything like that). The plates are just a more elegant solution but are not strictly necessary. Even on a stock ECU, removing or plugging the system does not trip the check engine light, and you really don't see any of it underneath the airbox. Totally up to you.
With a stock exhaust (or even just stock header), you will not get any decel popping with a stock ecu. I would be be extremely surprised if the re-flash would introduce any, since it eliminates the stock tune conditions that cause it in the first place with a full header- high exhaust temps from lean fueling/timing retarders that cause unburnt fuel in the exhaust gas to light off in the exhaust plumbing.
Also, called today and they have no issue with ride-in flash service, provided you call ahead and schedule a time to do it. Getting it done this Saturday at 10am, can't wait.
Just ordered full system from Ivan including Akro exhaust, block off plates and air filter. I'm soooo excited. I opted out of the Power Commander / air box mod because it added +2hp or so, only above 9k. Pulling the ECU tonight or tomorrow to ship to him. Note: Ivan will be going on vacation soon-- he will be posting his schedule on his website. In short: orders need to be firmed up, paid and shipped by August 6th or else it will be near the end of the month. Asked about the driving modes-- those are unaffected by the ECU reflash. I'm very excited, have I said that yet?
I'm curious how much difference there is between the reflashed 3rd gen versus 4th gen? We know less hp but more torque? Is one smoother? Does Ivan have a preference?
Just for general information, Torque and Horse power are exactly the same data looked at two different ways. Dyno's only actually measure one of the two, the calculate the other through a mathematical formula.
When you run your bike on a dyno it (I believe if it is a DynoJet Dyno, the most common) is only measuring HP, then it calculates Torque. I may have that backwards but I dont think so.
If you tell me how much HP your bike makes at a certain RPM, and can then easily tell you how much torque it makes at that same rpm with out seeing your dyno sheet.
This is why Hp and TQ always cross at 5252 rpm (it's not exactly 5252, but close enough). From a bently to a lawn mower Hp and Tq always cross at 5252.
If you your bike has more torque at a certain RPM than another bike of the same model and year then you will also have more HP at that point as well. It is unavoidable mathematically.
Well if you look at his website he has the 4th gen z1000 and ninja1000 right? I don't know what else does that mean? Lol
Before he only had the ninja 1000
Come on man! We are Ninja 1000 family before we are competitors!! LOL! I rented a 2013 and that is what got me into this bike. I LOVED what you gen 3's have. And I could have gotten one for a good price. But I wanted the rider aids, rear adjustable shock (my daughter rides with me) and the integrated bags. And I wanted the blue badly. At the end of the day, gen 3, gen 4 doesn't matter. I think we all have the best bike one can buy. It does it all. And if this Ivan remap is as good as he said it was when I talked with him yesterday, I can't wait to get it. I was torn on a super sport when I bought my last bike. I really made a mistake. I put money down on a GSXR1000. When it came time to go get it, I backed out for a few reasons. I wanted a more upright ride as I like to put on miles. And....I was afraid of the power. I got a M109R instead. That was a mistake. Boring for me. I wanted better handling and power. Rented the Ninja 1000ABS from a local company and fell in love. Traded my 2014 M109R and got a decent price for it and bought my baby. Love her. I always envied the power of the 1000 super sports. Not sure how close this gets us to one, but if it takes me from a 600 equivalent to a 750+, I will be thrilled. Maybe its a pipe dream. But a little less restriction from the software and less engine braking will be a nice, nice change.